[HamGatePA] Mitigating Possible Changes to 44Net

Wed Aug 9 12:34:59 EDT 2023

You changed routable subnet and simply expected it to work over the VPN?
That will not work.

So let me get this straight.  Someone has a new allocation. They connect to
the local VPN and then expect that allocatipn to work?

Not gonna happen. How do i know how to route to your new subnet? Who
notified me of the routing additions required? Who made the changes
required to the mesh?

This is all forgotten in the FEF plan. It's flawed for these reasons alone.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 12:14 Charles J. Hargrove <n2nov at n2nov.net> wrote:

> OK. Let me put a VERY fine point on this situation with your new
> 44Net allocation:
>
> - I am not the coordinator for 44.63.x.x, but G1FEF is the coordinator
> - I do not know his logic or planned use of that address space
> - The eleven states and HamGates that I coordinate are different subnets
>
> Unless things are openly discussed by ARDC staff, the various local 44Net
> coordinators and affected user population of all subnets, then I can not
> confidently solve problems in an address space that I am not controlling
> and working with. I would not want to mess up another's area of
> responsibility.
>
> On 8/9/2023 12:04 PM, Leon Zetekoff wrote:
> > ok I'm working but 44.94.17.129 has a problem at his end
> >
> > D:\Old Drive C>tracert n2nov.ampr.org
> >
> > Tracing route to n2nov.ampr.org [44.68.41.1]
> > over a maximum of 30 hops:
> >
> >    1     3 ms     5 ms     2 ms  t40.wa4zlw.org [10.195.10.3]
> >    2     4 ms     3 ms     2 ms  core100.wa4zlw.ampr.org [44.63.18.113]
> >    3    45 ms    45 ms    44 ms  gw.n2nov.ampr.org [44.68.41.2]
> >    4    50 ms    46 ms    44 ms  n2nov.ampr.org [44.68.41.1]
> >
> > Trace complete.
> >
> > D:\Old Drive C>
> >
> > 73 leon
> >
> > On 8/9/2023 11:20 AM, Leon Zetekoff wrote:
> >>
> >> here's what I'm seeing in the MTK
> >>
> >> 73 leon
> >>
> >> On 8/9/2023 11:18 AM, Leon Zetekoff wrote:
> >>> Hi Charles...I changed my Mikrotik over to the new allocation
> >>> yesterday but something is not working. I asked chris about my
> >>> original allocation and he said I can't have it back since they are
> >>> doing this new stuff. He allocated the new block to me yesterday.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to get on an email thread with him or whatever you want
> >>> to do please let me know.
> >>>
> >>> Just don't need this hassle of things not working.
> >>>
> >>> 73 leon
> >>>
> >>> On 8/9/2023 9:16 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
> >>>> The VPN data for your Mikrotik will not work with your state Hamgate
> >>>> unless your allocation matches the state (44.56.xxx.xxx). Since your
> >>>> new
> >>>> allocation of 44.63.18.112/28 was issued by someone else, you would
> >>>> need
> >>>> to put in a new request to switch back to your old allocation.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8/9/2023 9:08 AM, Leon Zetekoff wrote:
> >>>>> hi charles....well I am on the new allocation but the mikrotik
> >>>>> script is not working right so I reached out to marius.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All this happened yesterday. IMHO big deal if you don't hit the
> >>>>> portal in a year. do ISPs shut you down only if you dont pay your
> >>>>> bill :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73 leon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/9/2023 8:41 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
> >>>>>> That cancellation was done at the ARDC level in one of their purges.
> >>>>>> I can reissue your old subnet and get you going from there. Just
> >>>>>> let me
> >>>>>> know as you are putting in your request so that I can approve it
> >>>>>> immediately.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8/9/2023 8:31 AM, Leon Zetekoff wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Charles! I just went through this because I missed the
> >>>>>>> messages that I needed to get into the portal once a year and
> >>>>>>> then finally I was turned off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So I lost my original 44.56.53.1/28 and now have 44.63.18.112/28
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Trying to get things back up and running is a PITA.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 73 leon wa4zlw
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8/8/2023 11:03 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
> >>>>>>>> There seems to be a push by the technical committee of ARDC to
> >>>>>>>> form the
> >>>>>>>> 44Net address space along perceived use rather by
> >>>>>>>> area/region/state use.
> >>>>>>>> The plans are to be "finalized" by the end of the year, although
> >>>>>>>> some new
> >>>>>>>> procedures are already being carried out which has caused
> >>>>>>>> problems for new
> >>>>>>>> users in our network and area.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> For the foreseeable future, pass the word with any forwarding
> >>>>>>>> partners,
> >>>>>>>> new users and local clubs to NOT file for an allocation on the
> >>>>>>>> 44Net portal,
> >>>>>>>> but instead contact me directly at n2nov at n2nov.net for a
> >>>>>>>> conversation
> >>>>>>>> and I can walk them through it in real time so that it can not
> >>>>>>>> be short
> >>>>>>>> circuited in the process. The state hamgates for Maryland and
> >>>>>>>> Delaware
> >>>>>>>> just went live this weekend, complete with a central bbs for
> >>>>>>>> message
> >>>>>>>> forwarding and Wireguard VPN servers for anyone to make use of.
> >>>>>>>> The past
> >>>>>>>> 18 months have been rolling along for increasing connectivity
> >>>>>>>> and usefulness.
> >>>>>>>> Let's see what we can do to keep it that way and to improve
> >>>>>>>> functionality.
>
> --
> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
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