[HamGateNY] Statewide Networking Ideas

Fri Jan 1 20:36:27 EST 2021

Whee!

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 5:42 PM Andrew McLeod <andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I couldn't have said it better myself. So many ideas come to mind I don't
> want to bake them all out right now. But once more clearly thought out (by
> me...)
>
> I especially like the "Local BBHN/AREDN meshes and New Packet Radio (more
> of a star topo) to serve areas of concern, especially between EOCs,
> Hospitals, Shelters, Schools, etc....Good old packet as "interface of last
> resort" with store/forward files, email, text/sms, APRS, "Virtual
> Assistants", interface to D* digital services, etc" ideas, as they .ash
> well (no oun intended) with some of the portable or mobile ideas that I am
> working on...
>

One of my fav uses of good old packet is having Converse back-channel coms
between involved stations, not to mention show off being able to send lists
of pharmaceuticals in a relatively short amount of time. Of course WinLink
is all the rave, we have email gateways on several

My next programming project is mostly about integrating Asterisk, Phone
Patches, All Star Link, Mycroft, APRS, and other toys.

> Tell me also please - do we have existing technology (frequencies,
> products?) to accomplish such a "...cross-continent Amateur RF Terabit
> Digital Backbone..." yet? Or do you mean with regards to overall capacity
> over redundant links and nets as apposed to that capacity in a single
> beam/hop? Curious  about your thoughts...
>
>
Wishful thinking... We can probably skip Mbps and go right to Gbps, but
that's probably not much of a backbone. Event could be a weekend race to
build longest chain, regardless of bandwidth, but as teams find new places
to hold the event each year, they can have solar powered nodes plunked down
in permanently legal locations after a  couple years.

> 73,
>
> AJM,  KB2AJM
>
>
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Jeff Archambeault
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> On Jan 1, 2021, at 15:16, Jeff Archambeault <jjarchambeault at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Great ideas in there!
>>
>> I like being able to layer different technologies and experiment with
>> different topologies.
>> - A static/intentionally engineered cross-continent Amateur RF Terabit
>> Digital Backbone (anyone want to help coordinate a national weekend event
>> to see how far it could go?)
>> - A static/intentionally engineered mesh, ala aredn to cover counties
>> - A dynamic, fault-tolerant, delay-resistant, mobile-capable mesh, ala
>> InterPlaNet to fill in the gaps between counties or states (never
>> underestimate the bandwidth of an SSD or 2 on a RaspberryPi 4 driving
>> cross-country in a Tesla)
>> - Local BBHN/AREDN meshes and New Packet Radio (more of a star topo) to
>> serve areas of concern, especially between EOCs, Hospitals, Shelters,
>> Schools, etc.
>> - Good old packet as "interface of last resort" with store/forward files,
>> email, text/sms, APRS, "Virtual Assistants", interface to D* digital
>> services, etc
>>
>> There are so many aspects to the various ways we can experiment as
>> amateurs and actually contribute to the technologies involved in each.
>>
>> 73 and Happy New Year de Jeff AJ2A
>>
>> Jeff Archambeault
>> Proprietor, Bark Eater Studios
>> Technology Frustration Resolution Solutions
>> jeff at barkeaterstudios.com
>> (518) 696-5675 (home)
>> (518) 595-9815 (cell)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 1:52 PM Charles J. Hargrove < n2nov at n2nov.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Happy New Year 2021 to all.  Time to forget about the 2020 crap, ignore
>>> the clueless politicians and media and just live our lives!
>>>
>>> Here is an idea on how they are building out their network in Slovenia.
>>> Maybe there are some good ideas that will catch your fancy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe a concrete example of our current and future S5net in Slovenia
>>> together with our expectations from broader 44net community could help.
>>>
>>> As you can see from schema of current and planned links:
>>>
>>>     https://groups.io/g/nbp/topic/s5net_stanje_in_plan/79358609
>>>
>>> we are building nationwide radio network, linking our hills with DMR
>>> repeaters into a fully redundant network, as much as possible
>>> independent from public internet. Main goals:
>>>
>>> - reliable DMR, EchoLink, APRS network,
>>> - emergency communications for our communities,
>>> - for radioclubs and individual radioamateurs,
>>> - open for experimentation and innovation into the future.
>>>
>>> Besides mesh-like radio layer there is also a star-like ground layer
>>> connecting gateways to public internet via tunnels to main router in our
>>> capital. VPN server is established to connect easily and from everywhere
>>> to the S5net. Offering L2TP and SSTP VPN access which is easiest for
>>> most people.
>>>
>>> We are using Mikrotik routers and Wifi antennas from Ubiquiti and
>>> Mikrotik. But we care not to become too dependent to any vendor.
>>> Sticking to standards is a key here.
>>>
>>> We allocate our 44.150 IPs in the following way:
>>>
>>> - /28 with reserve /28 to each hill,
>>> - /24 with reserve /24 to each interested radioclub,
>>> - /28 with /28 to a LAN of each interested radioamateur,
>>> - static /32 and dynamic /32 (like for mobile phones) to each interested
>>> - more for specific needs (for experimentation, some IoT projects etc.)
>>>
>>> Allocation is not forever, it will probably cease 5yrs after inactivity.
>>>
>>> OSPF protocol routes traffic in S5net. Therefore we are free to raise
>>> any subnet anywhere in the network. For things like roaming..
>>>
>>> BGP to the public internet for a whole national 44.150 allocation is
>>> something we are thinking about. Like in Netherlands as I understand?
>>> All access from outside disallowed by default, switched on manually for
>>> each individual IP or subnet.
>>>
>>> For peering we are talking with our Academic network ARNES, because they
>>> are similar in philosophy and have a lot of knowledgeable networkers
>>> willing to help.
>>>
>>> To interconnect with HAMnet in neighbor countries we also plan to use
>>> BGP with a whole S5net as one AS with private ASN.
>>>
>>> Our DMR master server is multihomed - with public access for hotspots
>>> and with 44 IP via S5net for DMR repeaters.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps a bit
>>> 73, Janko S57NK
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
>>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
>>>
>>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL
>>> ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM
>>> NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM
>>> http://www.nyc-arecs.org
>>>
>>> NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM
>>> on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
>>>
>>> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls
>>> topped
>>> by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald
>>> Reagan
>>>
>>> "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
>>>
>>> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying
>>> (The work praises the man.)
>>>
>>> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services
>>> it
>>> provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
>>>
>>>
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