[HamGateNY] Statewide Networking Ideas

Fri Jan 1 17:40:47 EST 2021

Jeff,

I couldn't have said it better myself. So many ideas come to mind I don't want to bake them all out right now. But once more clearly thought out (by me...)

I especially like the "Local BBHN/AREDN meshes and New Packet Radio (more of a star topo) to serve areas of concern, especially between EOCs, Hospitals, Shelters, Schools, etc....Good old packet as "interface of last resort" with store/forward files, email, text/sms, APRS, "Virtual Assistants", interface to D* digital services, etc" ideas, as they .ash well (no oun intended) with some of the portable or mobile ideas that I am working on...

Tell me also please - do we have existing technology (frequencies, products?) to accomplish such a "...cross-continent Amateur RF Terabit Digital Backbone..." yet? Or do you mean with regards to overall capacity over redundant links and nets as apposed to that capacity in a single beam/hop? Curious  about your thoughts...

73,

AJM,  KB2AJM 

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On Jan 1, 2021, 15:16, at 15:16, Jeff Archambeault <jjarchambeault at gmail.com> wrote:
>Great ideas in there!
>
>I like being able to layer different technologies and experiment with
>different topologies.
>- A static/intentionally engineered cross-continent Amateur RF Terabit
>Digital Backbone (anyone want to help coordinate a national weekend
>event
>to see how far it could go?)
>- A static/intentionally engineered mesh, ala aredn to cover counties
>- A dynamic, fault-tolerant, delay-resistant, mobile-capable mesh, ala
>InterPlaNet to fill in the gaps between counties or states (never
>underestimate the bandwidth of an SSD or 2 on a RaspberryPi 4 driving
>cross-country in a Tesla)
>- Local BBHN/AREDN meshes and New Packet Radio (more of a star topo) to
>serve areas of concern, especially between EOCs, Hospitals, Shelters,
>Schools, etc.
>- Good old packet as "interface of last resort" with store/forward
>files,
>email, text/sms, APRS, "Virtual Assistants", interface to D* digital
>services, etc
>
>There are so many aspects to the various ways we can experiment as
>amateurs
>and actually contribute to the technologies involved in each.
>
>73 and Happy New Year de Jeff AJ2A
>
>Jeff Archambeault
>Proprietor, Bark Eater Studios
>Technology Frustration Resolution Solutions
>jeff at barkeaterstudios.com
>(518) 696-5675 (home)
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>
>
>On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 1:52 PM Charles J. Hargrove <n2nov at n2nov.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year 2021 to all.  Time to forget about the 2020 crap,
>ignore
>> the clueless politicians and media and just live our lives!
>>
>> Here is an idea on how they are building out their network in
>Slovenia.
>> Maybe there are some good ideas that will catch your fancy.
>>
>>
>> Maybe a concrete example of our current and future S5net in Slovenia
>> together with our expectations from broader 44net community could
>help.
>>
>> As you can see from schema of current and planned links:
>>
>>     https://groups.io/g/nbp/topic/s5net_stanje_in_plan/79358609
>>
>> we are building nationwide radio network, linking our hills with DMR
>> repeaters into a fully redundant network, as much as possible
>> independent from public internet. Main goals:
>>
>> - reliable DMR, EchoLink, APRS network,
>> - emergency communications for our communities,
>> - for radioclubs and individual radioamateurs,
>> - open for experimentation and innovation into the future.
>>
>> Besides mesh-like radio layer there is also a star-like ground layer
>> connecting gateways to public internet via tunnels to main router in
>our
>> capital. VPN server is established to connect easily and from
>everywhere
>> to the S5net. Offering L2TP and SSTP VPN access which is easiest for
>> most people.
>>
>> We are using Mikrotik routers and Wifi antennas from Ubiquiti and
>> Mikrotik. But we care not to become too dependent to any vendor.
>> Sticking to standards is a key here.
>>
>> We allocate our 44.150 IPs in the following way:
>>
>> - /28 with reserve /28 to each hill,
>> - /24 with reserve /24 to each interested radioclub,
>> - /28 with /28 to a LAN of each interested radioamateur,
>> - static /32 and dynamic /32 (like for mobile phones) to each
>interested
>> - more for specific needs (for experimentation, some IoT projects
>etc.)
>>
>> Allocation is not forever, it will probably cease 5yrs after
>inactivity.
>>
>> OSPF protocol routes traffic in S5net. Therefore we are free to raise
>> any subnet anywhere in the network. For things like roaming..
>>
>> BGP to the public internet for a whole national 44.150 allocation is
>> something we are thinking about. Like in Netherlands as I understand?
>> All access from outside disallowed by default, switched on manually
>for
>> each individual IP or subnet.
>>
>> For peering we are talking with our Academic network ARNES, because
>they
>> are similar in philosophy and have a lot of knowledgeable networkers
>> willing to help.
>>
>> To interconnect with HAMnet in neighbor countries we also plan to use
>> BGP with a whole S5net as one AS with private ASN.
>>
>> Our DMR master server is multihomed - with public access for hotspots
>> and with 44 IP via S5net for DMR repeaters.
>>
>> Hope this helps a bit
>> 73, Janko S57NK
>>
>>
>> --
>> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
>>
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>>
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>>
>> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the
>walls
>> topped
>> by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald
>Reagan
>>
>> "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
>>
>> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying
>> (The work praises the man.)
>>
>> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many
>services it
>> provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
>>
>>
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