[HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme

Mon Nov 30 12:44:34 EST 2020

Thank you both Brian and Charles for answering my questions. I just wasn't sure whether whether the schema was applied in this sense or if it was literally on a "protocol" level (like port numbers on an IP network.) But thank you for clarifying, and yes, it is the numerous methods of communication and ways to connect to it that are fascinating, at least to me....

.thanks.

YT,

AJM, KB2AJM

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On Nov 30, 2020, 10:01 AM, at 10:01 AM, Brian Webster <bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote:
>Let me see if I can throw out a slightly different explanation:
>
>This is a CHAT system that ride on the same connection we use for 44
>Net IP, it also runs on the packet networks in place. 
>
>Think if it more like group chats on a smart phone. The term channels
>is really just different group chats not much unlike you having a group
>chat going on your phone of Facebook messenger. It all runs on the same
>network, just splits off the conversations to keep things organized.
>
>The WWConverse system lets us network them together to have the
>potential for large geographically dispersed people participate in
>these chat conversations. In the old packet days when we had large area
>RF only networks, you connected to a chat node (really just software)
>and issued a help command and looked at the command set. User commands
>are usually on most chat systems using a forward slash and letter for
>each command such as /? For help or /U to list users on the chat node.
>The users on the chat node system are connected on the "channel" of
>their choice. In reality it's just a thread to conversation. In the old
>AOL messenger days they were called chat rooms. This organizes things
>so you don't have to see the conversation from say  weather group or
>just a rag chew session. You could be logged in to something like your
>local RACES training, or use it like Net Logger for a voice net as an
>example. Then it was just text based on a packet terminal window. Now
>we can also use software such as HexChat or Pidgeon to connect from the
>internet as well as the packet network over RF. This enables all types
>of devices such as smart phones and tablets in addition to computers.
>
>The thing Charles is suggesting is more of a way to know which "chat
>room" you would like to join once you connect to the converse system.
>Since it is just numbers and not a verbose scheme it makes sense to
>come up with something logical. To date the whole system has kind of
>been forgotten about. Since it can be internet enabled along with the
>packet networks, there is no real reason not to start to put it to
>better use. Those who are building high speed networks such as AREDN
>can participate, good old fashioned 1200 baud packets system can
>participate and those on the go using mobile internet systems can also
>stay in the conversation with their smart phones too. It becomes a good
>cross platform technology solution that gives us multiple ways to
>connect. Learning how to connect using multiple various ways also helps
>train as an emergency communicator and allows us to establish more than
>one way to stay connected for information exchanges.
>
>When you realize that so many different ways exist to connect, I am
>surer you can think of the ways you and your local groups or your
>geographically disperse groups can make use of the technology
>
>Thank you,
>Brian Webster N2KGC
>Cooperstown, NY 13326
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of
>Charles J. Hargrove
>Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 9:55 PM
>To: hamgateny at n2nov.net
>Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme
>
>If we look at things as internet vs RF, we cab see how it works.
>On the internet side, we choose what "channel" we want and that is
>what is sent to us.  The servers like Hub_NA keep track of all the
>active channels and route them accordingly to who is connected to
>each channel.  When we switch to a person using RF to get to their
>local packet bbs, they are just the end of the line where the request
>gets forwarded to the server that sends them what they want.  If there
>was another user, on the same bbs and frequency, the channel they pick
>could be different and that would be sent to them while you were
>getting
>the channel that you picked.  It's sort of like multiple streams of
>data
>in the old TNCs.
>
>On 11/28/2020 8:58 PM, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) wrote:
>> Hi Charles,
>> 
>> Although I've read your past few emails in the thread, I, like Joe,
>am 
>> new to the WW convers concept and have a question. Forgive me...
>> 
>> So I understand the purpose - logical allocation, assignment, maximal
>
>> utilization of space/bandwidth, etc. But in reality/technical 
>> functionality, is this "channelizing" a schema that works as you said
>
>> like AIM or IRC in the sense that it is literally a form of
>packetized, 
>> tagged or multiplexing sort of thing, or is it an RF/split spectrum
>sort 
>> of concept?
>> 
>> In other words, as we discuss both RF and non-RF mediums here, is
>this 
>> something that would just multiplex (channelize) data over a single
>RF 
>> frequency (sort of like DMR or simar) or would it require a spread 
>> spectrum of multiple subfrequencies?
>> 
>> I assume the former as you say this is over two decades old and
>already 
>> in practice and I doubt the practicality of finding 32768 different 
>> frequencies. :) I am just trying to "picture" it as conversations or 
>> channel data jump between one medium (internet/TCP/IP traffic) to 
>> another (RF) and back across the network...
>> 
>> Sort of like Brandmeister or a channelized EchoLink, but the AMPRnet 
>> version?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> AJM
>
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