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Well said, AJM<br>
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It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of
NYC.<br>
I worked for a global financial that started hosting other
financials on our IT infra<br>
that were displaced by the events in a few days.<br>
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73,<br>
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- Joe, NE2Z<br>
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<div dir="auto">On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott
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<div dir="auto">Internet to help carry between those areas where a
direct RF connection may not be possible <br>
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<div dir="auto">I do understand that. I'm just worried about the
idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless
infrastructure.<br>
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<div dir="auto">I too worry about the dependency on public
infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that:<br>
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<div dir="auto">a) there is a lot more geography covered by it
than by Hams nowadays, and<br>
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<div dir="auto">b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal
experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in
northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at
the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient
capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by
the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to
(hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a
nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out
not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T
switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and -
between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the
interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog
switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and
radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But
my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant
messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families
that way that day...<br>
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<div dir="auto">Although I do not have all the faith in the world
that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do
I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our
dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even
some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely
on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with
distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,)
has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network
in that regard.<br>
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<div dir="auto">And to that extent, for what we are doing, for
small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have
enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid
system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4
allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be
entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak...<br>
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<div dir="auto">Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I
think we have no choice...<br>
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<div dir="auto">That's just my opinion...<br>
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<div dir="auto"> 73,<br>
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<div dir="auto">AJM, KB2AJM<br>
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2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex.
KD2PLE) < <a href="mailto:andrew@kb2ajm.us"
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<div dir="auto"> Hello Mitch KE7WWT. <br>
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<div dir="auto"> Without drooling too much, I
just wanted to say that your extremely
ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests
in being able to "INTER-network" and
converge these vital (and fun)
communications technologies - voice,
data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF,
terrestrial, etc. <br>
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<div dir="auto"> You guys up north may be some
of the poorest counties in NYS, but down
here in the rural Catskills we have some
simar statistics too (just not ones to brag
about.) I and a few dispersed others also
have ambitious ideas that many surrounding
us are either put off by or simply not
interested in. And so while a few projects
of communal interest are making some
progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an
ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters
and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself
have been doing similar to you - trying to
build it all ourselves out of shallow
pockets and an even smaller lot of property.
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<div dir="auto"> I find your portable C&C
center very interesting, and similar to my
(thus far more) meager and slightly larger
12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for
ARES and personal use. The entire idea of
being able to congregate info from a
multitude of sources and potentially do so
two-way over range without the requirement
of failable infrastructure is exactly what
interests me as well (too many years of IT
and EMS, including working in NYC before,
during and after 9/11.) <br>
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<div dir="auto"> So while - with the exception
of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is
(mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and
finances allow is to expand this into the
exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type
of set-up you have in mind, both
stationary/base as well as portable. <br>
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<div dir="auto"> I would definitely be
interested in chatting as to where you are
and where you see your next steps to be
going, and if I can offer any assistance
from my background I would be happy to do so
- AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE.
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<div dir="auto"> With regards to internet
connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP
equipment, I have (home) business-grade
internet with a 13 usable block of public
IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP,
VoIP and security equipment (Cisco,
Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham,
so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead
protocol, if any projects of interest have
the need to (for example) convert an
incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into
TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to
use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over
internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those
are some of the ideas I've been toying
around with... <br>
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<div dir="auto"> Enough for now. Glad to make
everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. <br>
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<div dir="auto"> 73 again, <br>
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<div dir="auto"> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Nov 11, 2020, at
6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" <
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Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours.
I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator.
I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet.
Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled.
In the end. . I need a lot of help.
Mitch
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From: HamGateNY <<a href="mailto:hamgateny-bounces@n2nov.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hamgateny-bounces@n2nov.net</a>> On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28
To: <a href="mailto:hamgateny@n2nov.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">hamgateny@n2nov.net</a>
Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY
So far we have seen introductions from:
KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A.
How about the rest of this 92 person group?
What is your set-up or what will it be?
What software, hardware, services, etc?
Let us all help each other to get things going.
On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
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Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we
now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a
great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign,
what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system
you are running, etc.
Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of
knowledge/projects.
I will start:
- N2NOV
- Staten Island, NYC
- EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc
- Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (
<a href="http://www.nyc-arecs.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.nyc-arecs.org</a>)
- running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux
- NY State 44Net/
<a href="http://AMPR.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">AMPR.org</a> coordinator
- IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting)
- ran for Congress as a write-in twice
(
<a href="http://www.HargroveForCongress.us" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.HargroveForCongress.us</a>)
- Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party
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Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL
ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM
NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM
<a href="http://www.nyc-arecs.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.nyc-arecs.org</a>
NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.)
"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
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