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<div dir="auto">Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible <br><br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure.<br><br><br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that:<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day...<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard.<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak...<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice...<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">That's just my opinion...<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto"> 73,<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">AJM, KB2AJM<br><br></div>
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) <
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Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc.
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You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property.
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I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.)
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So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable.
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I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE.
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With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with...
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Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS.
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73 again,
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On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" <
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<pre>KE7WWT<br>Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours.<br><br>I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. <br><br>I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. <br><br>Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. <br><br>In the end. . I need a lot of help.<br><br>Mitch<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: HamGateNY <<a href="mailto:hamgateny-bounces@n2nov.net" target="_blank">hamgateny-bounces@n2nov.net</a>> On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove<br>Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28<br>To: <a href="mailto:hamgateny@n2nov.net" target="_blank">hamgateny@n2nov.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY<br><br>So far we have seen introductions from:<br>KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A.<br><br>How about the rest of this 92 person group?<br>What is your set-up or what will it be?<br>What software, hardware, services, etc?<br>Let us all help each other to get things going.<br><br>On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:<br>
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Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we
<br> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a
<br> great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign,
<br> what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system
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<br> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of
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<br> - N2NOV
<br> - Staten Island, NYC
<br> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc
<br> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (
<a href="http://www.nyc-arecs.org" target="_blank">http://www.nyc-arecs.org</a>)
<br> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux
<br> - NY State 44Net/
<a href="http://AMPR.org" target="_blank">AMPR.org</a> coordinator
<br> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting)
<br> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice
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<a href="http://www.HargroveForCongress.us" target="_blank">http://www.HargroveForCongress.us</a>)
<br> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party
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