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[Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)]

Christopher,

> The question is, will we build in the discipline
> to make sure the RF paths always work. 
> Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe)
> and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps
> track of the condition of the RF path.  That's an
> area I'd love to help.

That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...)

Anyone here have a similar type of set-up?




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On Nov 30, 2020, 12:55 PM, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott <cpiggott at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have
>> working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that
>we
>> might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to
>the
>> Buffalo region.
>
>
>Your optimism about this really made my day.  It gives me a sense of
>purpose.
>
>Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems.
>
>
>I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the
>internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way
>you
>phrased it approaches things more practically.  The question is, will
>we
>build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work.  Maybe
>the
>answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach
>that
>keeps track of the condition of the RF path.  That's an area I'd love
>to
>help.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster <bwebster at stny.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even
>though
>> RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is
>better than
>> no connectivity should various portions of the network have
>connectivity
>> issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods
>of
>> time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a
>> network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset.
>Many
>> of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the
>best
>> working path at any given time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge
>difference.
>> Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have
>> working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that
>we
>> might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to
>the
>> Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY
>and
>> then the Southern Tier could  be next. The RF linking to the
>downstate and
>> NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from
>PA to
>> Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are
>established
>> additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some
>> redundancy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster N2KGC
>>
>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] *On Behalf Of
>*Joe
>> Cupano
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM
>> *To:* 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)
>> *Subject:* Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well said, AJM
>>
>> It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of
>NYC.
>> I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials
>on
>> our IT infra
>> that were displaced by the events in a few days.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> - Joe, NE2Z
>>
>> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE):
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott
><cpiggott at gmail.com>
>> <cpiggott at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF
>connection
>> may not be possible
>>
>> I do understand that.  I'm just worried about the idea of being so
>> dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure.
>>
>>
>> I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the
>other
>> hand, you do have to admit that:
>>
>> a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays,
>and
>>
>> b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the
>lessons of
>> 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP
>> tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing
>and
>> resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended
>by
>> the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully)
>> maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When
>> maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7
>but
>> all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of
>tower
>> (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of
>the
>> interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched
>phone,
>> cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations
>(antennas
>> on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager
>worked, as
>> did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated
>with
>> their families that way that day...
>>
>> Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in
>our
>> infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in
>> conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for
>all
>> types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for
>> depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare
>> systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure
>now,)
>> has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in
>that
>> regard.
>>
>> And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between
>the
>> regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we
>have no
>> choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is
>related
>> to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended
>to be
>> entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak...
>>
>> Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no
>choice...
>>
>> That's just my opinion...
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> AJM, KB2AJM
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott
><cpiggott at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF
>connection
>> may not be possible
>>
>>
>>
>> I do understand that.  I'm just worried about the idea of being so
>> dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)
><
>> andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Mitch KE7WWT.
>>
>> Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely
>> ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to
>> "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications
>> technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial,
>etc.
>>
>> You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but
>down
>> here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just
>not
>> ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious
>ideas
>> that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not
>interested in.
>> And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some
>progress
>> regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS
>digipeaters and
>> I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you -
>> trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even
>smaller
>> lot of property.
>>
>> I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my
>(thus
>> far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've
>built
>> for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to
>congregate info
>> from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range
>> without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what
>> interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working
>in
>> NYC before, during and after 9/11.)
>>
>> So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is
>> (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to
>expand
>> this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up
>you
>> have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable.
>>
>> I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and
>where
>> you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any
>assistance from
>> my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO
>ANYBODY
>> ELSE WHERE.
>>
>> With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP
>equipment, I
>> have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public
>IPs,
>> as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment
>(Cisco,
>> Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP
>is a
>> heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to
>(for
>> example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into
>TCP/IP to
>> send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2
>locations over
>> internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas
>I've
>> been toying around with...
>>
>> Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS.
>>
>> 73 again,
>>
>> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" <
>> maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote:
>>
>> KE7WWT
>>
>> Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw
>away from the fence at Fort Drum.  Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5
>days and 2 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES.
>I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK.  I am
>also a MARS operator.
>>
>>
>>
>> I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing
>with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change
>soon.  I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two
>(ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves
>Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station
>radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to
>link and interface Packet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are
>the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very
>little activity that requires expenditure of money.  As such, I have
>taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does
>not work - This is baofeng country.  Not a lot of hams, and not a lot
>of invested in the art and science of communications.  That said, I
>still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only
>pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a
>larger group.  I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is
>internet-enabled.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the end. .  I need a lot of help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: HamGateNY <hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net> On Behalf Of Charles J.
>Hargrove
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28
>>
>> To: hamgateny at n2nov.net
>>
>> Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY
>>
>>
>>
>> So far we have seen introductions from:
>>
>> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A.
>>
>>
>>
>> How about the rest of this 92 person group?
>>
>> What is your set-up or what will it be?
>>
>> What software, hardware, services, etc?
>>
>> Let us all help each other to get things going.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
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>>         Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY
>list, we
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>>
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>>  now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).  This would be a
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>>  great opportunity to introduce yourselves.  Give us your callsign,
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>>  what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system
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>>  you are running, etc.
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>>  Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of
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>>  knowledge/projects.
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>>  I will start:
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>>  - N2NOV
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>>  - Staten Island, NYC
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>>  - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc
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>>  - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (
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>>             http://www.nyc-arecs.org)
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>>  - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux
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>>  - NY State 44Net/
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>>             AMPR.org coordinator
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>>  - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web
>hosting)
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>>  - ran for Congress as a write-in twice
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>>  (
>>
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>>             http://www.HargroveForCongress.us)
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>>  - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party
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>> --
>>
>> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
>>
>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
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>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL
>>
>> ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM
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>> NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM
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>> http://www.nyc-arecs.org
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>> NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on
>7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
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>> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the
>walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders."
>- Ronald Reagan
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>> "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
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>> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.)
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>> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many
>services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." -
>Ronald Reagan
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