From ww2bsa at paladinknightentertainment.com Tue Nov 3 22:23:46 2020 From: ww2bsa at paladinknightentertainment.com (ww2bsa paladinknightentertainment.com) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 22:23:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HamGateNY] To: Charles N2NOV From: Chris WW2BSA Re: Server Membership Message-ID: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n2nov at n2nov.net Tue Nov 3 22:42:53 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 22:42:53 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY (was Re: To: Charles N2NOV From: Chris WW2BSA Re: Server Membership) In-Reply-To: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> Message-ID: <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Hi Chris. You already are as you have sent your first message to the list! :) I welcome all those who are coming over from Yahoo Groups. This mailing list is designed to cover all things packet in NY State, although we might venture into other messaging systems that can interface to packet. The whole point of what we do is to get a message from point A to point B. Exercising the network and our procedures can only get us ready for when we are called on to make it work. As your 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator for NY State, I am here to facilitate your experimentation to interface across the RF world and the internet. No specific software package is pushed over any other. Commercial internet networks know how to work together around established standards and so should we. Everyone is welcome to make their ideas heard, their questions answered and to be part of the entire statewide network. On 11/3/2020 10:23 PM, ww2bsa paladinknightentertainment.com wrote: > Dear Charles, > > Brian Webster indicated you are providing a haven for the abandoned > EastNetPacket Members. How may I log on/become a member? > > Thank you. > > 73 de Prof. Chris Lance > www.WW2BSA.org > Radio Station Manager > Mount Allamuchy Scout Reservation > WW2BSA-1 145.010 Mhz via CMLBK Node > "Making Packet Great Again!" -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From n2nov at n2nov.net Thu Nov 5 11:06:17 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 11:06:17 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From OldBob at Kesters.org Thu Nov 5 11:46:29 2020 From: OldBob at Kesters.org (Bob Kester) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 11:46:29 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: OK!? Here is my information: - K2JJT -- (since November 1954) - Fairport, NY -- which is just outside of Rochester (Monroe County) - Sysop for the packet node at W2DUC, which is for the Digital Communications Assoc of Perinton - That node runs Flexnet, interconnected with an installation of AWZnode on Slackware Linux. - Also able to run internet links, which I believe in.? We are in the business ? of providing Communications, and redundant paths add to the dependability of that. - Lots of things I still need help with! On 11/5/20 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great > opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of > NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are > running, etc. > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > knowledge/projects. > -- 2019: Stay away from negative people. 2020: Stay away from positive people. From gary at skuse.com Thu Nov 5 15:42:03 2020 From: gary at skuse.com (Gary R. Skuse, Ph.D.) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 15:42:03 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <438f1050-6424-1314-9955-e74b7cff7120@skuse.com> Thanks for this Charles. I'll follow: KA1NJL Fairport, NY Founding member of the Digital Communications of Perinton (DCAP, a very local club) Ham since 1985 Interested in digital communications since 1985 Former president of the Rochester (NY) Amateur Packet Society (RAPS) Professor of Biological Sciences at Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT) Never ran for public office but I'm a Notary Public :-) On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great > opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of > NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are > running, etc. > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > knowledge/projects. > > I will start: > - N2NOV > - Staten Island, NYC > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice > (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > -- Gary R. Skuse, Ph.D. From K2JJT at Kesters.org Sun Nov 8 11:35:09 2020 From: K2JJT at Kesters.org (Bob, K2JJT) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 11:35:09 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction Message-ID: <02ee6a01-9025-fcdb-a1ce-ef8328155556@Kesters.org> OK!? Here is my information: - K2JJT -- (since November 1954) - Fairport, NY -- which is just outside of Rochester (Monroe County) - Sysop for the packet node at W2DUC, which is for the Digital Communications Assoc of Perinton - That node runs Flexnet, with an installation of AWZnode on Slackware Linux. - Also able to run internet links, which I believe in.? We are in the business ? of providing Communications, and redundant paths add to the dependability of that. - Lots of things I still need help with! On 11/5/20 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. -- 73 from Bob, K2JJT From radiowebst at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 12:23:31 2020 From: radiowebst at gmail.com (Brian Webster) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2020 12:23:31 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction In-Reply-To: <02ee6a01-9025-fcdb-a1ce-ef8328155556@Kesters.org> References: <02ee6a01-9025-fcdb-a1ce-ef8328155556@Kesters.org> Message-ID: <115b01d6b5f3$e1b6eaf0$a524c0d0$@gmail.com> N2KGC - licensed with the same call since 1990. Active in packet the whole time. Located in Milford half way between Oneonta and Cooperstown Otsego County RACES officer, Catskills District DEC for the ARRL Sysop for node NC2C-1 in Cherry Valley (Flex DOS), W2RGI-2 (URONode) in Oneonta and N2KGC-1 gateway (URONode) at my home I have been working in the commercial wireless industry for 30 years as well. The last 18 with my own RF consulting company. Also very proficient in mapping and GIS systems which is a big part of my consulting as well. Not very good at command line Linux and/or routing and those file syntax's (but learning more each day) Able to conduct RF path studies with my engineering software as we discuss RF only links on the networks. Active with Rusty KE2PW in the quest to rebuild the NY RF packet network statewide. Not against internet linking of parts of the network but also want to see RF links as backups. I am ready to bring the packet systems in to the modern ham radio age, helping to develop, train and support the use of them. Creating better documentation and explanations. Out club has a large group of newer hams that never did the old packet networks in a simple terminal window. Anything that we can do to make better software interfaces with nice GUI's and able to use them on devices as well as regular computers I support. I am big in to Emergency management and really want to get a good statewide training program together, maybe starting with using the BBS systems and Outpost software. That does not require that we all agree upon a nodes operating systems and/or software. It just requires that we get all the BBS's across the state talking to each other with timely forwarding of messages and agree upon some message group name standards. Linking nodes and chat systems to central converse servers would be great and since we can also internet enable those, that may encourage more to participate since their mobile devices work on these systems. Not everyone is going to be able to sit in front of their computer and participate. I want to map all of the current packet systems in the state. I have all of the information on the former EastNet stations but am lacking any BPQ, BBS's, WinLink, and JNOS systems. These are the most recent maps I have of NY and even some of those nodes have gone dark for various reasons. Feel free to send me notes with your coordinates, frequencies, services etc and I will start updating the maps. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Bob, K2JJT Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:35 AM To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction OK! Here is my information: - K2JJT -- (since November 1954) - Fairport, NY -- which is just outside of Rochester (Monroe County) - Sysop for the packet node at W2DUC, which is for the Digital Communications Assoc of Perinton - That node runs Flexnet, with an installation of AWZnode on Slackware Linux. - Also able to run internet links, which I believe in. We are in the business of providing Communications, and redundant paths add to the dependability of that. - Lots of things I still need help with! 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It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From ww2bsa at paladinknightentertainment.com Mon Nov 9 04:09:32 2020 From: ww2bsa at paladinknightentertainment.com (ww2bsa paladinknightentertainment.com) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 04:09:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <697884120.4040.1604912972692@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Mon Nov 9 21:05:32 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 21:05:32 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <697884120.4040.1604912972692@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <697884120.4040.1604912972692@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> Message-ID: <4b5d0e2e-73d5-4132-bfbb-5e1553f568e4@kb2ajm.us> Greetings All, I am an all-around nerd who literally works in a hospital Laboratory as a Tech (yes, COVID + all) with a background also in Telecom + I.T. and still do web hosting as (what was) a side business. Although work, family and partial disability leave me little time to tinker as much as I would like to, besides reading my hands-on interests include Ham (Analog + Packet) including APRS, RPis, Arduino, IoT, VoIP, Cisco, and any combinations of it all. My house is wired to my wife's miscontent (between Alexa + Samsung you can turn on/off about half our house and know every room's temperature remotely,) and I've got literally 1 full height + 1 1/2 height 19" racks full of Cisco, Ubiquiti, RPis, NAS, Ham and other goods. That's besides a few other things besides all that, but that's the electronics hobby/interest list, and FAMILY comes before everything else (on the other hand it was my wife and pre-teen kids that helped me erect my current 6 antenna 35+ foot mast I'm the backyard...) I am a founding member of our local (Sullivan County, NY) ARES group, which has been focusing on APRS digi coverage around our region, and the County OEMS is in the process of "giving" us a repeater of our own. We also have "Winlink Thursday" nights, but I have been at work for most of them (and asleep for the rest...) I have my GMRS license as well (although I rarely use it since becoming a Ham,) as well as a private license under my business entity for some non-Ham itinerant frequency use... I was affiliated with MARS for a time but just wasn't for me, but I do have my SignaLink + FTDX-1200 and some basic experience with HF packet, but want to learn more and get my AMPRnet node(s) online that I've had planned for almost a year, have all the equipment for and started tinkering with, but I haven't had the time to put it all together and make it whole (I promise very soon, Charles, that I'll be calling you for configuration help !!) So in short (no such thing as a short story with me,) I reiterate I am am overall, all-around nerd. I can be reached at this (my Ham) email address, but I don't monitor it as closely as my primary address @highland-it.com, below. Interested in making contacts/connections (both verbally and electronically,) learning from others and perhaps getting prodded in the keester a bit by others to help me get things rolling in my part. Anything I can share, help with, etc. please never be afraid to contact me. Be well, be safe, and let's have some fun !!! 73, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (formerly KD2PLE) WRAN632 = GMRS WRAS560 = Business andrew at highland-it.com (PRIMARY EMAIL) andrew at kb2ajm.us (201) 233-7007 cell (845) 468-7111 eFax On Nov 9, 2020, 4:09 AM, at 4:09 AM, "ww2bsa paladinknightentertainment.com" wrote: >Hello Everybody, > > >Chris WW2BSA in Northern NJ > >I'm a packet nut! Started years ago by monitoring the networks as a >Scanner/SWL hobbyist with AEA Tnc's. > > >General License. > > >Creator of the Nationwide Amateur Radio Packet Directory Map > >(link at http://www.ww2bsa.org) over 1,300 station listed and growing, >over 16,000 views. > > >Radio Station Manager for Mount Allamuchy Scout Reservation > > >Displaced member of EastNetPacket (old) >Member of EastNet Packet Group (reboot) >Member of EPARA in PA > >Member of The Central Susquehanna Technical Group > > >RACES/CERT radio operator Washington Township OEM. > > >Mailbox on 145.010 > >FLEXNET Node (pending) >Experimental Meteor Scatter with Packet on 6 meters > >Packet -> Paging Gateway Kantronics 9612+ >Run PK-232, PK-900, KPC3+, MFJ Data Modems, 1270's, Paccomm, DRSI, etc. > >Yes...BayCom too! > > >Proud American Patriot! > > >73 de Prof. Chris Lance > >www.WW2BSA.org > >Radio Station Manager > >Mount Allamuchy Scout Reservation > >WW2BSA-1 145.010 Mhz via CMLBK Node >"Making Packet Great Again!" >https://groups.io/g/EastNetPacket > > > > >On November 5, 2020 11:06 AM Charles J. Hargrove < n2nov at n2nov.net> >wrote: > > > >Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > >now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a >great > >opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area >of > >NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are >running, > >etc. > >Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >knowledge/projects. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarchambeault at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 23:31:10 2020 From: jjarchambeault at gmail.com (Jeff Archambeault) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 23:31:10 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: Aloha! Jeff AJ2A here. Operating in the town of Day, NY on the north shore of The Great Sacandaga Reservoir. I'm fairly active in RACES (officially with Warren County) and RACES (Warren and Saratoga Counties). Field Day contester, uses FT8 with evil contempt, can Pat with ardop successfully. I run "The Blue Line Net" on 3.983 Sundays 8pm Eastern. Should be accessible to y'all. Went from KPC3+ to uronode on pentium 4 running linux and direwolf (++) on 147.48. A 6pack capable mfj-1270c will be brought online at some point. It could be that I have actual amprnet via radio sooner than I have terrestrial broadband. Really trying to restore packet to the St Laurence corridor. I will be testing a secret project soon that will totally change my software config, so stay tuned for that. We're also looking at an alternative to Cherry Valley's user port. There's also another hidden cache of loonies at the Upstate New York Packet Radio Operator Group (unyprog.groups.io). 73 de Jeff AJ2a Jeff Archambeault Proprietor, Bark Eater Studios Technology Frustration Resolution Solutions jeff at barkeaterstudios.com (518) 696-5675 (home) (518) 595-9815 (cell) On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great > opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of > NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, > etc. > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > knowledge/projects. > > I will start: > - N2NOV > - Staten Island, NYC > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > > -- > Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV > NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > > NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL > ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM > NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM > http://www.nyc-arecs.org > > NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM > on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > > "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls > topped > by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan > > "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > > "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying > (The work praises the man.) > > "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it > provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ke2pw at hotmail.com Tue Nov 10 00:40:14 2020 From: ke2pw at hotmail.com (Rusty Seastrum) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 05:40:14 +0000 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> , Message-ID: Thanks for the information Jeff. 73 de Rusty KE2PW ________________________________ From: HamGateNY on behalf of Jeff Archambeault Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 11:31 PM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Aloha! Jeff AJ2A here. Operating in the town of Day, NY on the north shore of The Great Sacandaga Reservoir. I'm fairly active in RACES (officially with Warren County) and RACES (Warren and Saratoga Counties). Field Day contester, uses FT8 with evil contempt, can Pat with ardop successfully. I run "The Blue Line Net" on 3.983 Sundays 8pm Eastern. Should be accessible to y'all. Went from KPC3+ to uronode on pentium 4 running linux and direwolf (++) on 147.48. A 6pack capable mfj-1270c will be brought online at some point. It could be that I have actual amprnet via radio sooner than I have terrestrial broadband. Really trying to restore packet to the St Laurence corridor. I will be testing a secret project soon that will totally change my software config, so stay tuned for that. We're also looking at an alternative to Cherry Valley's user port. There's also another hidden cache of loonies at the Upstate New York Packet Radio Operator Group (unyprog.groups.io). 73 de Jeff AJ2a Jeff Archambeault Proprietor, Bark Eater Studios Technology Frustration Resolution Solutions jeff at barkeaterstudios.com (518) 696-5675 (home) (518) 595-9815 (cell) On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Charles J. Hargrove > wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n2nov at n2nov.net Tue Nov 10 23:28:02 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 23:28:02 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great > opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of > NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, > etc. > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > knowledge/projects. > > I will start: > - N2NOV > - Staten Island, NYC > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From radiowebst at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 00:11:09 2020 From: radiowebst at gmail.com (Brian Webster) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:11:09 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction Message-ID: <024601d6b7e9$1164a5c0$342df140$@gmail.com> Resending without maps attached.... N2KGC - licensed with the same call since 1990. Active in packet the whole time. Located in Milford half way between Oneonta and Cooperstown Otsego County RACES officer, Catskills District DEC for the ARRL Sysop for node NC2C-1 in Cherry Valley (Flex DOS), W2RGI-2 (URONode) in Oneonta and N2KGC-1 gateway (URONode) at my home I have been working in the commercial wireless industry for 30 years as well. The last 18 with my own RF consulting company. Also very proficient in mapping and GIS systems which is a big part of my consulting as well. Not very good at command line Linux and/or routing and those file syntax's (but learning more each day) Able to conduct RF path studies with my engineering software as we discuss RF only links on the networks. Active with Rusty KE2PW in the quest to rebuild the NY RF packet network statewide. Not against internet linking of parts of the network but also want to see RF links as backups. I am ready to bring the packet systems in to the modern ham radio age, helping to develop, train and support the use of them. Creating better documentation and explanations. Out club has a large group of newer hams that never did the old packet networks in a simple terminal window. Anything that we can do to make better software interfaces with nice GUI's and able to use them on devices as well as regular computers I support. I am big in to Emergency management and really want to get a good statewide training program together, maybe starting with using the BBS systems and Outpost software. That does not require that we all agree upon a nodes operating systems and/or software. It just requires that we get all the BBS's across the state talking to each other with timely forwarding of messages and agree upon some message group name standards. Linking nodes and chat systems to central converse servers would be great and since we can also internet enable those, that may encourage more to participate since their mobile devices work on these systems. Not everyone is going to be able to sit in front of their computer and participate. I want to map all of the current packet systems in the state. I have all of the information on the former EastNet stations but am lacking any BPQ, BBS's, WinLink, and JNOS systems. These are the most recent maps I have of NY and even some of those nodes have gone dark for various reasons. Feel free to send me notes with your coordinates, frequencies, services etc and I will start updating the maps. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Bob, K2JJT Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:35 AM To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction OK! Here is my information: - K2JJT -- (since November 1954) - Fairport, NY -- which is just outside of Rochester (Monroe County) - Sysop for the packet node at W2DUC, which is for the Digital Communications Assoc of Perinton - That node runs Flexnet, with an installation of AWZnode on Slackware Linux. - Also able to run internet links, which I believe in. We are in the business of providing Communications, and redundant paths add to the dependability of that. - Lots of things I still need help with! On 11/5/20 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. -- 73 from Bob, K2JJT From maurice at maurice-mitchell.com Wed Nov 11 06:52:27 2020 From: maurice at maurice-mitchell.com (Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 06:52:27 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a > great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, > what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system > you are running, etc. > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > knowledge/projects. > > I will start: > - N2NOV > - Staten Island, NYC > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice > (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From radiowebst at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 11:00:43 2020 From: radiowebst at yahoo.com (Brian Webster) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 11:00:43 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction References: <00c101d6b843$cfb12120$6f136360$.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c101d6b843$cfb12120$6f136360$@yahoo.com> Resending without maps attached and from my original email from wny list.... N2KGC - licensed with the same call since 1990. Active in packet the whole time. Located in Milford half way between Oneonta and Cooperstown Otsego County RACES officer, Catskills District DEC for the ARRL Sysop for node NC2C-1 in Cherry Valley (Flex DOS), W2RGI-2 (URONode) in Oneonta and N2KGC-1 gateway (URONode) at my home I have been working in the commercial wireless industry for 30 years as well. The last 18 with my own RF consulting company. Also very proficient in mapping and GIS systems which is a big part of my consulting as well. Not very good at command line Linux and/or routing and those file syntax's (but learning more each day) Able to conduct RF path studies with my engineering software as we discuss RF only links on the networks. Active with Rusty KE2PW in the quest to rebuild the NY RF packet network statewide. Not against internet linking of parts of the network but also want to see RF links as backups. I am ready to bring the packet systems in to the modern ham radio age, helping to develop, train and support the use of them. Creating better documentation and explanations. Out club has a large group of newer hams that never did the old packet networks in a simple terminal window. Anything that we can do to make better software interfaces with nice GUI's and able to use them on devices as well as regular computers I support. I am big in to Emergency management and really want to get a good statewide training program together, maybe starting with using the BBS systems and Outpost software. That does not require that we all agree upon a nodes operating systems and/or software. It just requires that we get all the BBS's across the state talking to each other with timely forwarding of messages and agree upon some message group name standards. Linking nodes and chat systems to central converse servers would be great and since we can also internet enable those, that may encourage more to participate since their mobile devices work on these systems. Not everyone is going to be able to sit in front of their computer and participate. I want to map all of the current packet systems in the state. I have all of the information on the former EastNet stations but am lacking any BPQ, BBS's, WinLink, and JNOS systems. These are the most recent maps I have of NY and even some of those nodes have gone dark for various reasons. Feel free to send me notes with your coordinates, frequencies, services etc and I will start updating the maps. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Bob, K2JJT Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:35 AM To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction OK! Here is my information: - K2JJT -- (since November 1954) - Fairport, NY -- which is just outside of Rochester (Monroe County) - Sysop for the packet node at W2DUC, which is for the Digital Communications Assoc of Perinton - That node runs Flexnet, with an installation of AWZnode on Slackware Linux. - Also able to run internet links, which I believe in. We are in the business of providing Communications, and redundant paths add to the dependability of that. - Lots of things I still need help with! On 11/5/20 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. -- 73 from Bob, K2JJT From nate at k3ltc.com Wed Nov 11 15:17:20 2020 From: nate at k3ltc.com (Nate Berry) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 15:17:20 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: Hey all! I'm a relatively new ham (2018), General. However I do not, as yet, even own an HF rig. This is something I hope to remedy soon! I work in IT in the fire industry so digital modes and radio networking are interesting to me. I'm a linux user and advocate, amateur programmer, and web developer. I am a member of the Suffolk County Radio Club and run the website for that group (and twitter). I have an allocation (thanks Charles!), but to date haven't gotten back to actually using my IPs. That is another thing I hope (with your help) to remedy someday. -- *Nate* K3LTC https://www.k3ltc.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwebster at wirelessmapping.com Wed Nov 11 18:55:30 2020 From: bwebster at wirelessmapping.com (Brian Webster) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:55:30 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction Message-ID: <01b601d6b886$231670d0$69435270$@wirelessmapping.com> N2KGC - licensed with the same call since 1990. Active in packet the whole time. Located in Milford half way between Oneonta and Cooperstown Otsego County RACES officer, Catskills District DEC for the ARRL Sysop for node NC2C-1 in Cherry Valley (Flex DOS), W2RGI-2 (URONode) in Oneonta and N2KGC-1 gateway (URONode) at my home I have been working in the commercial wireless industry for 30 years as well. The last 18 with my own RF consulting company. Also very proficient in mapping and GIS systems which is a big part of my consulting as well. Not very good at command line Linux and/or routing and those file syntax's (but learning more each day) Able to conduct RF path studies with my engineering software as we discuss RF only links on the networks. Active with Rusty KE2PW in the quest to rebuild the NY RF packet network statewide. Not against internet linking of parts of the network but also want to see RF links as backups. I am ready to bring the packet systems in to the modern ham radio age, helping to develop, train and support the use of them. Creating better documentation and explanations. Out club has a large group of newer hams that never did the old packet networks in a simple terminal window. Anything that we can do to make better software interfaces with nice GUI's and able to use them on devices as well as regular computers I support. I am big in to Emergency management and really want to get a good statewide training program together, maybe starting with using the BBS systems and Outpost software. That does not require that we all agree upon a nodes operating systems and/or software. It just requires that we get all the BBS's across the state talking to each other with timely forwarding of messages and agree upon some message group name standards. Linking nodes and chat systems to central converse servers would be great and since we can also internet enable those, that may encourage more to participate since their mobile devices work on these systems. Not everyone is going to be able to sit in front of their computer and participate. I want to map all of the current packet systems in the state. I have all of the information on the former EastNet stations but am lacking any BPQ, BBS's, WinLink, and JNOS systems. These are the most recent maps I have of NY and even some of those nodes have gone dark for various reasons. Feel free to send me notes with your coordinates, frequencies, services etc and I will start updating the maps. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Bob, K2JJT Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:35 AM To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction OK! Here is my information: - K2JJT -- (since November 1954) - Fairport, NY -- which is just outside of Rochester (Monroe County) - Sysop for the packet node at W2DUC, which is for the Digital Communications Assoc of Perinton - That node runs Flexnet, with an installation of AWZnode on Slackware Linux. - Also able to run internet links, which I believe in. We are in the business of providing Communications, and redundant paths add to the dependability of that. - Lots of things I still need help with! On 11/5/20 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. -- 73 from Bob, K2JJT -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: EastNet Central NY 5-20-20.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 160986 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: EastNet CT-Hudson Valley 5-20-20.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 174792 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: EastNet NYC-NNJ 5-20-20.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 218532 bytes Desc: not available URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Wed Nov 11 21:16:53 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 21:16:53 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> Message-ID: <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 11, 2020, 6:52 AM, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" wrote: >KE7WWT >Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw >away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 >days and 2 hours. > >I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. >I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am >also a MARS operator. > >I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing >with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change >soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two >(ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves >Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station >radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to >link and interface Packet. > >Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are >the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very >little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have >taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does >not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot >of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I >still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only >pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a >larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is >internet-enabled. > >In the end. . I need a lot of help. > >Mitch > > >-----Original Message----- >From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. >Hargrove >Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > >So far we have seen introductions from: >KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > >How about the rest of this 92 person group? >What is your set-up or what will it be? >What software, hardware, services, etc? >Let us all help each other to get things going. > >On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, >we >> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a >> great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, >> what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system >> you are running, etc. >> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >> knowledge/projects. >> >> I will start: >> - N2NOV >> - Staten Island, NYC >> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator >> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) >> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party >> > >-- >Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > >NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >http://www.nyc-arecs.org > >NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on >7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > >"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." >- Ronald Reagan > >"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > >"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) > >"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services >it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald >Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at n2yp.com Wed Nov 11 21:18:13 2020 From: john at n2yp.com (john at n2yp.com) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 21:18:13 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] N2YP Introduction Message-ID: <01fe01d6b89a$139d5240$3ad7f6c0$@n2yp.com> Good Evening, My name is John Rudolph and I am located in Unadilla which is part of Otsego County South West of Cooperstown. I am an Extra Class Ham which got started in 2010 and am an Assistant Emergency Coordinator for Otsego County ARES. Here in the County we have a 3 node packet system, an APRS digipeater and an igate. We currently use AREDN for various public service events primarily with Cameras and would like to build out a permanent ARDEN Network which is a little bit of a challenge due to the hilly tree populated terrain of the area. Most of our work and equipment purchases to date has been by a few volunteers and often I have prepared our nodes for deployments. I know basic networking and am learning more every day. The details and nitty gritty work is handled by Brian Webster N2KGC and Matt Jenne KD2HKB. Some of the things we hope to use via networks include TicketsCAD, Rachel Servers, video servers, radio and network related reference material, databases, Allstar Link, remote bases and others that I know I am forgetting. John Rudolph N2YP Unadilla, NY Otsego County -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ben at kc2ots.org Wed Nov 11 23:59:54 2020 From: ben at kc2ots.org (Ben Sheron KC2OTS) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 04:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HamGateNY] ***SPAM*** Re: Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <47b16dfe-8eff-c27d-3845-f205660f686b@kc2ots.org> I'm Ben, KC2OTS, in Endicott NY (near Binghamton).? I've been a ham since 2006 when I was a freshman at RIT, and work as an electrical engineer working in power conversion.? I'm a Linux and OpenBSD user, and am interested in renewable energy as well. I've been playing with packet radio on and off for the past couple years, mostly APRS and connecting two computers of 2m using Direwolf.? I would like to put together some sort of packet station at my house, perhaps with a shell server you could telnet to over the air.? I'm also curious as to what others are doing with packet. 73s, Ben On 11/10/20 11:28 PM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > So far we have seen introductions from: > KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > > How about the rest of this 92 person group? > What is your set-up or what will it be? > What software, hardware, services, etc? > Let us all help each other to get things going. > > On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we >> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a >> great >> opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what >> area of >> NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are >> running, etc. >> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >> knowledge/projects. >> >> I will start: >> - N2NOV >> - Staten Island, NYC >> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator >> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) >> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party >> > From racritcher at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 09:12:54 2020 From: racritcher at gmail.com (Rick Critcher) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:12:54 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: Greetings, The name here is Rick, KB2LFZ. My background.... I got my first ham license in 1979 ( I think ), after moving to this area from Western NY I got rather involved in my job and well, kind of forgot to renew my ticket! Yeah, I had to start all over! I joined the Saratoga RACES club, after becoming reincarnated as KB2LFZ, (am currently a member of the Warren County club W2WCR) I became interested in packet radio, a PK88, a dumb terminal and an old Genave crystal controlled radio served as our home station. I also had a Baycom "tnc", a very primitive laptop and a Kenwood HT. I used that system to do some demonstrations to my kids' elementary school classes...they were a big hit! My career took another big bite of my time, and I am just now getting involved yet again! I think for good this time as I am now semi-retired! Currently we (my wife is KB2LOM) don't have much in the way of gear, a mobile 2 meter in the truck and 2 dual band (2m + 440) HTs....oh, my PK88 is still in the basement someplace! Recently, with help from AJ2A, I tried to set up a packet monitor on my Linux Mint laptop using an RTL-SDR...it worked, but not well enough to really use, We live in a dead spot! We've put together a mobile AREDN node that I hope to have backpackable within the next month. There are not many AREDN nodes in the area, I was thinking if there was a need I could get ours into an area to fill a gap pretty quickly. I also dabble in Arduino stuff and Geocaching. So there ya have it! I'm really hoping to learn some things from reading this group's messages! 73 de Rick - KB2LFZ On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 10:12 PM Nate Berry wrote: > Hey all! I'm a relatively new ham (2018), General. > However I do not, as yet, even own an HF rig. This is something I hope to > remedy soon! > I work in IT in the fire industry so digital modes and radio networking > are interesting to me. > I'm a linux user and advocate, amateur programmer, and web developer. > I am a member of the Suffolk County Radio Club and run the website for > that group (and twitter). > I have an allocation (thanks Charles!), but to date haven't gotten back to > actually using my IPs. > That is another thing I hope (with your help) to remedy someday. > > -- > *Nate* > K3LTC > https://www.k3ltc.com > -- Rick Critcher>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdinosw at twcny.rr.com Thu Nov 12 09:54:22 2020 From: jdinosw at twcny.rr.com (John Darling) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 09:54:22 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <99758102-EC5B-4562-9C3E-C120FD865B4F@twcny.rr.com> Okay, name here is John K2QQY, Oswego, NY. Former RACES Radio Officer during the late 90?s and early 2000?s, now retired and giving advice (?) when able. Oversaw the build out of our packet network and interconnections into the state wide flex net group. Currently we are isolated to internal communications having lost our outgoing links, but are hoping to see those re-established. Pleased to see activity picking up as packet is still a viable and stable way to communicate. My favorite memory is we were involved in a nuclear plant drill during the early packet days, before flex, when our packet operator approached myself and the EO Director with the question "do you have a message for the Queen?? Seems he had jumped across the pond via a ?worm hole? and landed in merry ole England. Made quite a story at the time. 73 and good luck, John K2QQY From cpiggott at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 11:07:19 2020 From: cpiggott at gmail.com (Christopher Piggott) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 11:07:19 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: > > I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, Just some food for thought here, but it's worth taking a look at the Wi-SUN standard, if for no other reason than educational purposes. Wi-SUN is a collection of protocols put together as a stack for the utility industry. The key elements are COAP and IPv6 running on top of an 802.15.4g mesh network. If you're familiar with 802.15.4 (zigbee, etc) "g" is not that different except it's specified for 900 MHz in addition to 2.4 GHz, and they tuned some of the timings to allow for a greater number of nodes and longer propagation delays (longer paths). They also pull in some dynamic routing algorithms perhaps more appropriate for the medium. It has long been my dream to build a ham/packet radio out of an integrated ARM RF chip. Currently I'm working with one from T.I. called the CC1352P. That chip supports both 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz (though not quite at the same time). I have this dream of a <$50 packet node (maybe even <$25) that's so cheap we can just flood regions with them - convince every ham to put one up on their property, and even try to get some grants from the 44.* IP address sale to help kickstart it. My vision for this would be kind of like what we did with the NEDA network in the 90s - dedicated, protected backbone links, separate from user inks. My goal, though, would be 100% RF. Back in the 90s, from here in Rochester, I could chat (type) with other hams as far away as Maine and New Jersey, and way up into Toronto and Coburg, entirely via radio. It was all VHF/UHF. It supported TCP/IP over AX.25 (and some variant of Netrom). It worked because we had engineers who carefully designed each of the links as well as their timing. It was amazing. I got distracted by other things for a while and when I stepped back into packet I found out that the majority of links now depended on the internet. IMO that's just wrong - it defeats the purpose, and it cancels out any 'emergency communications' role we may have at one time had (and believe me it was real, the emergency management offices in New York as well as other states followed what we were doing closely and let us use some of their sites and other resources). Someday I want to get back to that. My idea on how to do it is a cheap integrated packet radio, and just put them up everywhere. Take a look at what electric utilities are doing with AMI networks. If you want to know some of the history of "where we were", Tadd Torborg (KA2DEW) has done a pretty good job of preserving the history here ... you can see some of the maps of our network here but I'm actually having trouble getting that link to load (slow web server). My personal wish is that when it comes to packet radio we'd get back to thinking this way. --Chris, WZ2B On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > Hello Mitch KE7WWT. > > Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely > ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to > "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications > technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. > > You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down > here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not > ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas > that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. > And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress > regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and > I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - > trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller > lot of property. > > I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus > far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built > for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info > from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range > without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what > interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in > NYC before, during and after 9/11.) > > So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is > (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand > this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you > have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. > > I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where > you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from > my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY > ELSE WHERE. > > With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I > have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, > as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, > Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a > heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for > example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to > send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over > internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've > been toying around with... > > Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. > > 73 again, > > Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM > > > > > Get BlueMail for Android > On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < > maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: >> >> KE7WWT >> Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. >> >> I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. >> >> I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. >> >> Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. >> >> In the end. . I need a lot of help. >> >> Mitch >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove >> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >> To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >> Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY >> >> So far we have seen introductions from: >> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. >> >> How about the rest of this 92 person group? >> What is your set-up or what will it be? >> What software, hardware, services, etc? >> Let us all help each other to get things going. >> >> On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> >>> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we >>> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a >>> great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, >>> what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system >>> you are running, etc. >>> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >>> knowledge/projects. >>> >>> I will start: >>> - N2NOV >>> - Staten Island, NYC >>> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >>> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >>> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >>> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator >>> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) >>> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >>> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >>> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party >>> >>> >> -- >> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. >> >> NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >> ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >> NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >> http://www.nyc-arecs.org >> >> NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 >> >> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan >> >> "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus >> >> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) >> >> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w2dab at w2dab.com Thu Nov 12 11:38:26 2020 From: w2dab at w2dab.com (David Bamford) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 11:38:26 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <99758102-EC5B-4562-9C3E-C120FD865B4F@twcny.rr.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <99758102-EC5B-4562-9C3E-C120FD865B4F@twcny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4339FC16-1CBB-4C3A-BE7C-5C9F6A27F641@w2dab.com> Okay, time for me to introduce myself as well: Name here is Dave / W2DAB in Manhattan/NYC. I am currently working towards setting up a PBBS using a FT-2980 Mobile Radio at the home QTH with a Coastal Chipworks TNC-Pi and a Raspberry Pi with a small touchscreen. I haven?t progressed to the software phase but I have confirmed that the hardware is working. I will be reaching out to the group for anyone with a similar setup who can help me progress further. I have been a ham since 2004 with interests in Emcomm, digital and CW. I am currently working on my application to join the USCG Auxiliary at one of the Flotillas in the area. Covid-19 has stalled that a bit but I am using the down time to obtain my GROL license to supplement my radio communications skill set. My other interests are QRP, Building, Arduino and Raspberry Pi. I hope to take advantage of this group more not that everyone is identifying with their bios and interesting backgrounds. Thank you to Charles / N2NOV for his work and patience. 73 all! Dave / W2DAB From n2nov at n2nov.net Sat Nov 14 10:48:16 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:48:16 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <78446883-ef86-db28-6fbc-238a96095ab8@n2nov.net> Great introductions from KE7WWT, K3LTC, KB2LFZ, K2QQY, WZ2B and W2DAB. Over the past few days we have picked up list members from NY-NBEMS and UNYPROG groups on Yahoo. Unfortunately, I have found a few who are SK. We have 14 who have YAHOO.COM email addresses that at times get throttled. It is best if they use a non-Yahoo/AOL/Verizon address like GMAIL, etc. If you know of someone who should be on this list, pass along the invite. They can go to http://HamGateNY.n2nov.net and go to the mailing list link. On 11/10/2020 11:28 PM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > So far we have seen introductions from: > KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > > How about the rest of this 92 person group? > What is your set-up or what will it be? > What software, hardware, services, etc? > Let us all help each other to get things going. > > On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we >> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great >> opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of >> NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are >> running, etc. >> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >> knowledge/projects. >> >> I will start: >> - N2NOV >> - Staten Island, NYC >> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator >> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) >> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From bwebster at wirelessmapping.com Sun Nov 15 11:30:57 2020 From: bwebster at wirelessmapping.com (Brian Webster) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 11:30:57 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction Message-ID: <087e01d6bb6c$b2402a60$16c07f20$@wirelessmapping.com> Trying again without the file attachments. ------------------------------------------------ N2KGC - licensed with the same call since 1990. Active in packet the whole time. Located in Milford half way between Oneonta and Cooperstown Otsego County RACES officer, Catskills District DEC for the ARRL Sysop for node NC2C-1 in Cherry Valley (Flex DOS), W2RGI-2 (URONode) in Oneonta and N2KGC-1 gateway (URONode) at my home I have been working in the commercial wireless industry for 30 years as well. The last 18 with my own RF consulting company. Also very proficient in mapping and GIS systems which is a big part of my consulting as well. Not very good at command line Linux and/or routing and those file syntax's (but learning more each day) Able to conduct RF path studies with my engineering software as we discuss RF only links on the networks. Active with Rusty KE2PW in the quest to rebuild the NY RF packet network statewide. Not against internet linking of parts of the network but also want to see RF links as backups. I am ready to bring the packet systems in to the modern ham radio age, helping to develop, train and support the use of them. Creating better documentation and explanations. Out club has a large group of newer hams that never did the old packet networks in a simple terminal window. Anything that we can do to make better software interfaces with nice GUI's and able to use them on devices as well as regular computers I support. I am big in to Emergency management and really want to get a good statewide training program together, maybe starting with using the BBS systems and Outpost software. That does not require that we all agree upon a nodes operating systems and/or software. It just requires that we get all the BBS's across the state talking to each other with timely forwarding of messages and agree upon some message group name standards. Linking nodes and chat systems to central converse servers would be great and since we can also internet enable those, that may encourage more to participate since their mobile devices work on these systems. Not everyone is going to be able to sit in front of their computer and participate. I want to map all of the current packet systems in the state. I have all of the information on the former EastNet stations but am lacking any BPQ, BBS's, WinLink, and JNOS systems. These are the most recent maps I have of NY and even some of those nodes have gone dark for various reasons. Feel free to send me notes with your coordinates, frequencies, services etc and I will start updating the maps. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Bob, K2JJT Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 11:35 AM To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: [HamGateNY] My Introduction OK! Here is my information: - K2JJT -- (since November 1954) - Fairport, NY -- which is just outside of Rochester (Monroe County) - Sysop for the packet node at W2DUC, which is for the Digital Communications Assoc of Perinton - That node runs Flexnet, with an installation of AWZnode on Slackware Linux. - Also able to run internet links, which I believe in. We are in the business of providing Communications, and redundant paths add to the dependability of that. - Lots of things I still need help with! On 11/5/20 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. -- 73 from Bob, K2JJT From ka2gpj at yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 13:19:41 2020 From: ka2gpj at yahoo.com (George Masny) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 18:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <78446883-ef86-db28-6fbc-238a96095ab8@n2nov.net> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <78446883-ef86-db28-6fbc-238a96095ab8@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <722148236.3341557.1605464381461@mail.yahoo.com> Hi! Still have some packet equipment in mothballs - a complete node/BBS setup with two link radios.? Unfortunately, my East and West links are no longer there and the internet made the BBS obsolete...? Oh, BTW - I was the SysOp at WB2WXQ BBS and KPARK node. 73 de KA2GPJ George S Masny?USA, EKC & USPS(Retired) On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 11:08:10 AM EST, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Great introductions from KE7WWT, K3LTC, KB2LFZ, K2QQY, WZ2B and W2DAB. Over the past few days we have picked up list members from NY-NBEMS and UNYPROG groups on Yahoo.? Unfortunately, I have found a few who are SK. We have 14 who have YAHOO.COM email addresses that at times get throttled. It is best if they use a non-Yahoo/AOL/Verizon address like GMAIL, etc. If you know of someone who should be on this list, pass along the invite. They can go to http://HamGateNY.n2nov.net and go to the mailing list link. On 11/10/2020 11:28 PM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > So far we have seen introductions from: > KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > > How about the rest of this 92 person group? > What is your set-up or what will it be? > What software, hardware, services, etc? > Let us all help each other to get things going. > > On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we >> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great >> opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of >> NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are >> running, etc. >> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >> knowledge/projects. >> >> I will start: >> - N2NOV >> - Staten Island, NYC >> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator >> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) >> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. 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URL: From ww2bsa at paladinknightentertainment.com Sun Nov 15 17:19:40 2020 From: ww2bsa at paladinknightentertainment.com (WW2BSA) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:19:40 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Message-ID: <202011152219.0AFMJi6L061063@jax4mhob25.registeredsite.com> Hi George, sorry to hear you don't do packet anymore. Very busy freqs here in western Jersey and eastern pa. The Scouts love packet. We are networking with 2 other camps.?Would be willing to buy your mothballed equipment.Let me know what you have and how much you want.Chris Lanceww2bsa-1 145.010 Mhz973-632-0693Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: George Masny Date: 11/15/20 13:19 (GMT-05:00) To: 44Net Sysops in NY State Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Hi!Still have some packet equipment in mothballs - a complete node/BBS setup with two link radios.? Unfortunately, my East and West links are no longer there and the internet made the BBS obsolete...? Oh, BTW - I was the SysOp at WB2WXQ BBS and KPARK node.73 de KA2GPJGeorge S Masny?USA, EKC & USPS(Retired) On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 11:08:10 AM EST, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Great introductions from KE7WWT, K3LTC, KB2LFZ, K2QQY, WZ2B and W2DAB.Over the past few days we have picked up list members from NY-NBEMS andUNYPROG groups on Yahoo.? Unfortunately, I have found a few who are SK.We have 14 who have YAHOO.COM email addresses that at times get throttled.It is best if they use a non-Yahoo/AOL/Verizon address like GMAIL, etc.If you know of someone who should be on this list, pass along the invite.They can go to http://HamGateNY.n2nov.net and go to the mailing list link.On 11/10/2020 11:28 PM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:> So far we have seen introductions from:> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A.> > How about the rest of this 92 person group?> What is your set-up or what will it be?> What software, hardware, services, etc?> Let us all help each other to get things going.> > On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:>> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we>> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great>> opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of>> NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are >> running, etc.>> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >> knowledge/projects.>>>> I will start:>> - N2NOV>> - Staten Island, NYC>> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc>> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org)>> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux>> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator>> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting)>> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us)>> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party-- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOVNYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PLARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PMNYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PMhttp://www.nyc-arecs.orgNY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PMon 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls toppedby barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying(The work praises the man.)"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services itprovides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Sun Nov 15 20:59:49 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 20:59:49 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <202011152219.0AFMJi6L061063@jax4mhob25.registeredsite.com> References: <202011152219.0AFMJi6L061063@jax4mhob25.registeredsite.com> Message-ID: Hey Chris (WW2BSA,) Where are you (and/or your scout camps) geographically located? Besides originally being from North(eastern) NJ, I am in Orange (work and mobile) and Sullivan (home) Counties probably dead north of you guys. I live in what amounts to a "crater in the mountains" which is hard to get a signal out of most of the time, but sometimes I'm lucky - it depends on frequencies and the bearing. Just curious... 73, Andrew, KB2AJM ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 15, 2020, 5:19 PM, at 5:19 PM, WW2BSA wrote: >Hi George, sorry to hear you don't do packet anymore. Very busy freqs >here in western Jersey and eastern pa. The Scouts love packet. We are >networking with 2 other camps.?Would be willing to buy your mothballed >equipment.Let me know what you have and how much you want.Chris >Lanceww2bsa-1 145.010 Mhz973-632-0693Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE >Device >-------- Original message --------From: George Masny >Date: 11/15/20 13:19 (GMT-05:00) To: 44Net Sysops in NY State > Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY >Hi!Still have some packet equipment in mothballs - a complete node/BBS >setup with two link radios.? Unfortunately, my East and West links are >no longer there and the internet made the BBS obsolete...? Oh, BTW - I >was the SysOp at WB2WXQ BBS and KPARK node.73 de KA2GPJGeorge S >Masny?USA, EKC & USPS(Retired) > > > > > > >On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 11:08:10 AM EST, Charles J. Hargrove > wrote: > > > >Great introductions from KE7WWT, K3LTC, KB2LFZ, K2QQY, WZ2B and >W2DAB.Over the past few days we have picked up list members from >NY-NBEMS andUNYPROG groups on Yahoo.? Unfortunately, I have found a few >who are SK.We have 14 who have YAHOO.COM email addresses that at times >get throttled.It is best if they use a non-Yahoo/AOL/Verizon address >like GMAIL, etc.If you know of someone who should be on this list, pass >along the invite.They can go to http://HamGateNY.n2nov.net and go to >the mailing list link.On 11/10/2020 11:28 PM, Charles J. Hargrove >wrote:> So far we have seen introductions from:> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, >KB2AJM and AJ2A.> > How about the rest of this 92 person group?> What >is your set-up or what will it be?> What software, hardware, services, >etc?> Let us all help each other to get things going.> > On 11/5/2020 >11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:>> Since the merger of the WNYPG >mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we>> now have 87 members (some >who were on both lists).? This would be a great>> opportunity to >introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of>> NY State >(or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are >> running, >etc.>> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >> >knowledge/projects.>>>> I will start:>> - N2NOV>> - Staten Island, >NYC>> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc>> - >Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org)>> - running >JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux>> - NY State >44Net/AMPR.org coordinator>> - IT field since 1989 (databases, >networking, help desk, web hosting)>> - ran for Congress as a write-in >twice >> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us)>> - Secretary of the >Staten Island Libertarian Party-- Charles J. Hargrove - >N2NOVNYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn >Coord.NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PLARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ >8:00PMNYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ >8:30PMhttp://www.nyc-arecs.orgNY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & >USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PMon 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz >waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32"Information is the oxygen of the modern >age. It seeps through the walls toppedby barbed wire, it wafts across >the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan"The more corrupt the state, >the more it legislates." - Tacitus"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish >Saying(The work praises the man.)"No matter how big and powerful >government gets, and the many services itprovides, it can never take >the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpiggott at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 08:37:30 2020 From: cpiggott at gmail.com (Christopher Piggott) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 08:37:30 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <722148236.3341557.1605464381461@mail.yahoo.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <78446883-ef86-db28-6fbc-238a96095ab8@n2nov.net> <722148236.3341557.1605464381461@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > > Unfortunately, my East and West links are no longer there and the internet > made the BBS obsolete I agree with that. I think you're leading up to the right question: what would be our purpose in trying to restart all of this? What's the reason someone not that interested in packet radio would become interested? I'm kind of interested in focusing on sensors. That's one of the reasons I think COAP is a good fit. But I also like the messaging idea, just not in the form of a bulletin board. I think what would be really cool would be something more like an SMS application that allows for group texts, geographical area broadcasts, and message confirmation. The point would be to make something that still works if the internet and the cell towers go dark - inline with (one of) Amateur Radio's theoretical reasons to exist. On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 1:19 PM George Masny wrote: > Hi! > > Still have some packet equipment in mothballs - a complete node/BBS setup > with two link radios. Unfortunately, my East and West links are no longer > there and the internet made the BBS obsolete... Oh, BTW - I was the SysOp > at WB2WXQ BBS and KPARK node. > > 73 de KA2GPJ > > George S Masny > USA, EKC & USPS > (Retired) > > > > On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 11:08:10 AM EST, Charles J. Hargrove < > n2nov at n2nov.net> wrote: > > > Great introductions from KE7WWT, K3LTC, KB2LFZ, K2QQY, WZ2B and W2DAB. > > Over the past few days we have picked up list members from NY-NBEMS and > UNYPROG groups on Yahoo. Unfortunately, I have found a few who are SK. > We have 14 who have YAHOO.COM email addresses that at times get throttled. > It is best if they use a non-Yahoo/AOL/Verizon address like GMAIL, etc. > If you know of someone who should be on this list, pass along the invite. > They can go to http://HamGateNY.n2nov.net and go to the mailing list link. > > On 11/10/2020 11:28 PM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > > So far we have seen introductions from: > > KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > > > > How about the rest of this 92 person group? > > What is your set-up or what will it be? > > What software, hardware, services, etc? > > Let us all help each other to get things going. > > > > On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > >> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > >> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a > great > >> opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area > of > >> NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are > >> running, etc. > >> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > >> knowledge/projects. > >> > >> I will start: > >> - N2NOV > >> - Staten Island, NYC > >> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > >> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > >> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > >> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator > >> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > >> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice > >> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > >> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > > -- > Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV > NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > > NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL > ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM > NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM > http://www.nyc-arecs.org > > NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM > on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > > "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls > topped > by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan > > "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > > "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying > (The work praises the man.) > > "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it > provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Around that time a friendof mine,?John Champa K8OCL , asked me to join a?ARRL ?Technology Task Force on?High-Speed Multimedia radio investigating the next generation in digital communications within Amateur Radio. Happy to see over the years since that task force disbanded developments in?mesh networking ?born from it. Since then I have been spending the time bridging the worlds of makers, hackers, and.Over the past decade I have supported the biennial?Hackers on Planet Earth (HOPE) ?conference whether it be running aspecial event station ?or conducting workshops . I am a member of HVDN and currently lead the development of a RF network project called HASviolet available on RPi and ESP32 . 73, - Joe, NE2Z Charles J. Hargrove: > Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great > opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of > NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are > running, etc. > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > knowledge/projects. > > I will start: > - N2NOV > - Staten Island, NYC > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice > (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Mon Nov 16 09:48:25 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:48:25 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: Hi Chris, WZ2B. I have a few comments and ideas in ref to your post below. First, I love your ideas both on networking and on IoT. I haven't gotten to the point skill-wise yet as to design my own units based on individual chips myself just yet (I do read some TI and other manufacturers specs to learn) but I hope to get there someday myself someday. In the meantime I am relegated to playing with Arduinos and RPis as my starting points for IoT, sensors, etc. and with my house "wired" using Samsung "SmartThings" (all Zigbee and Z-Wave.) So I'm learning a lot myself about sensor/IoT and RF... With regards to networking, I agree that the whole "purpose" of our ventures are ultimately to again surplant the need internet connectivity if and where possible - a fully RF network would be a wonderful thing to have once again... However even though I agree it's nowhere near the same thing, as is usually the case, industry and politics have stolen ideas from the volunteer tinkerers who invented it, and are focusing their efforts on things like community broadband + WISPs (which still won't reach more rural areas like some near me) and FirstNet, which has a goal of covering 98% of the populated US area with Cellular including high-speed data applications for emergency services. The downside of this obviously the reliance on a monopoly centrally controlled network that relies heavily on a on physical infrastructure, and still won't cover some of the rural areas like I live in (we still have cellular dead zones and our County OEMS with their wonderfully engineered, brand new 14-tower linked system still can't get a signal to some parts of our area...) And so while Hams still see the need and think contingency-wise, and SOME at the County/ State (RACES) and occasionally Federal levels still acknowledge our usefulness, some egos feel we're just an outdated, outmoded bunch of hobbyists whom they don't understand invented or trial tested most of the technologies they take for granted today. I personally am one if those just getting into the hobby, and see a marriage of technologies possible, for the benefits of all parts. Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection .ay not be possible or feasible (like my area, for example,) and RF wherever possible both for access, fun, and for redundancy/resiliency for when (not if) the Internet goes down (or even gets congested, like DDoS attacks or the SQL Slammer work if anyone remembers that - I was in IT + Voice Telecom at the time...) Overall that's why I and I think most of us are here - seeing the possibilities of the marriage between RF (Ham) and the internet (the "44net" part of things...) Lastly, my web hosting and IT businesses are on the side, but I've been striving to get a few pages built on relevant domain names, and to help develop a central repository of tools, history, FORUMS (like we don't already have enough to keep up with,) etc. Stuff like Tadd Torborg's (KA2DEW)?history is important stuff. If anyone has anything else to contribute or knows where there is something they'd like to see on such a site, please let me know. Just my opinions + ideas... 73,. AJM, KB2AJM ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 12, 2020, 11:07 AM, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: >> >> I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, > > > >Just some food for thought here, but it's worth taking a look at the >Wi-SUN >standard, if for no other reason than educational purposes. Wi-SUN is >a >collection of protocols put together as a stack for the utility >industry. >The key elements are COAP and IPv6 running on top of an 802.15.4g mesh >network. If you're familiar with 802.15.4 (zigbee, etc) "g" is not >that >different except it's specified for 900 MHz in addition to 2.4 GHz, and >they tuned some of the timings to allow for a greater number of nodes >and >longer propagation delays (longer paths). They also pull in some >dynamic >routing algorithms perhaps more appropriate for the medium. > >It has long been my dream to build a ham/packet radio out of an >integrated >ARM RF chip. Currently I'm working with one from T.I. called the >CC1352P. >That chip supports both 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz (though not quite at the >same >time). I have this dream of a <$50 packet node (maybe even <$25) >that's so >cheap we can just flood regions with them - convince every ham to put >one >up on their property, and even try to get some grants from the 44.* IP >address sale to help kickstart it. My vision for this would be kind of >like what we did with the NEDA network in the 90s - dedicated, >protected >backbone links, separate from user inks. > >My goal, though, would be 100% RF. Back in the 90s, from here in >Rochester, I could chat (type) with other hams as far away as Maine and >New >Jersey, and way up into Toronto and Coburg, entirely via radio. It was >all >VHF/UHF. It supported TCP/IP over AX.25 (and some variant of Netrom). >It >worked because we had engineers who carefully designed each of the >links as >well as their timing. It was amazing. I got distracted by other >things >for a while and when I stepped back into packet I found out that the >majority of links now depended on the internet. IMO that's just wrong >- it >defeats the purpose, and it cancels out any 'emergency communications' >role >we may have at one time had (and believe me it was real, the emergency >management offices in New York as well as other states followed what we >were doing closely and let us use some of their sites and other >resources). > >Someday I want to get back to that. My idea on how to do it is a cheap >integrated packet radio, and just put them up everywhere. Take a look >at >what electric utilities are doing with AMI networks. > >If you want to know some of the history of "where we were", Tadd >Torborg >(KA2DEW) has done a pretty good job of preserving the history here > ... you can see >some >of the maps of our network here > but I'm >actually having trouble getting that link to load (slow web server). > >My personal wish is that when it comes to packet radio we'd get back to >thinking this way. > >--Chris, WZ2B > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < >andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > >> Hello Mitch KE7WWT. >> >> Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely >> ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to >> "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications >> technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, >etc. >> >> You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but >down >> here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just >not >> ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious >ideas >> that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not >interested in. >> And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some >progress >> regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS >digipeaters and >> I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - >> trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even >smaller >> lot of property. >> >> I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my >(thus >> far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've >built >> for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to >congregate info >> from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range >> without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what >> interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working >in >> NYC before, during and after 9/11.) >> >> So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is >> (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to >expand >> this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up >you >> have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. >> >> I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and >where >> you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any >assistance from >> my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO >ANYBODY >> ELSE WHERE. >> >> With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP >equipment, I >> have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public >IPs, >> as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment >(Cisco, >> Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP >is a >> heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to >(for >> example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into >TCP/IP to >> send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 >locations over >> internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas >I've >> been toying around with... >> >> Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. >> >> 73 again, >> >> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM >> >> >> >> >> Get BlueMail for Android >> On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < >> maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: >>> >>> KE7WWT >>> Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw >away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 >days and 2 hours. >>> >>> I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and >RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. >I am also a MARS operator. >>> >>> I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing >with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change >soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two >(ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves >Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station >radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to >link and interface Packet. >>> >>> Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) >are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very >little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have >taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does >not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot >of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I >still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only >pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a >larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is >internet-enabled. >>> >>> In the end. . I need a lot of help. >>> >>> Mitch >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles >J. Hargrove >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >>> To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >>> Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY >>> >>> So far we have seen introductions from: >>> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. >>> >>> How about the rest of this 92 person group? >>> What is your set-up or what will it be? >>> What software, hardware, services, etc? >>> Let us all help each other to get things going. >>> >>> On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >>> >>>> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY >list, we >>>> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be >a >>>> great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, >>>> what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet >system >>>> you are running, etc. >>>> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >>>> knowledge/projects. >>>> >>>> I will start: >>>> - N2NOV >>>> - Staten Island, NYC >>>> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >>>> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >>>> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >>>> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator >>>> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web >hosting) >>>> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >>>> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >>>> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. >>> >>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >>> ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >>> NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >>> http://www.nyc-arecs.org >>> >>> NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on >7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 >>> >>> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." >- Ronald Reagan >>> >>> "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus >>> >>> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) >>> >>> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many >services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - >Ronald Reagan >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cpiggott at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 10:53:01 2020 From: cpiggott at gmail.com (Christopher Piggott) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:53:01 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: > > Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection > may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. So I'm learning a lot myself about sensor/IoT and RF... I work with ZigBee but it doesn't really scale across a regions. 802.15.4g helps a little but I'm not really sure the mesh strategies of Wi-SUN have scaled that well, either. They're better, but some of the utility installations around the country have not really gone very well in terms of bandwidth and performance. But I like these IoT-like approaches because the hardware tends to be cheap. LoRa looks interesting, too, but I don't know much about it. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:50 AM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > Hi Chris, WZ2B. > > I have a few comments and ideas in ref to your post below. > > First, I love your ideas both on networking and on IoT. I haven't gotten > to the point skill-wise yet as to design my own units based on individual > chips myself just yet (I do read some TI and other manufacturers specs to > learn) but I hope to get there someday myself someday. In the meantime I am > relegated to playing with Arduinos and RPis as my starting points for IoT, > sensors, etc. and with my house "wired" using Samsung "SmartThings" (all > Zigbee and Z-Wave.) So I'm learning a lot myself about sensor/IoT and RF... > > With regards to networking, I agree that the whole "purpose" of our > ventures are ultimately to again surplant the need internet connectivity if > and where possible - a fully RF network would be a wonderful thing to have > once again... > > However even though I agree it's nowhere near the same thing, as is > usually the case, industry and politics have stolen ideas from the > volunteer tinkerers who invented it, and are focusing their efforts on > things like community broadband + WISPs (which still won't reach more rural > areas like some near me) and FirstNet, which has a goal of covering 98% of > the populated US area with Cellular including high-speed data applications > for emergency services. The downside of this obviously the reliance on a > monopoly centrally controlled network that relies heavily on a on physical > infrastructure, and still won't cover some of the rural areas like I live > in (we still have cellular dead zones and our County OEMS with their > wonderfully engineered, brand new 14-tower linked system still can't get a > signal to some parts of our area...) > > And so while Hams still see the need and think contingency-wise, and SOME > at the County/ State (RACES) and occasionally Federal levels still > acknowledge our usefulness, some egos feel we're just an outdated, outmoded > bunch of hobbyists whom they don't understand invented or trial tested most > of the technologies they take for granted today. > > I personally am one if those just getting into the hobby, and see a > marriage of technologies possible, for the benefits of all parts. Internet > to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection .ay not be > possible or feasible (like my area, for example,) and RF wherever possible > both for access, fun, and for redundancy/resiliency for when (not if) the > Internet goes down (or even gets congested, like DDoS attacks or the SQL > Slammer work if anyone remembers that - I was in IT + Voice Telecom at the > time...) > > Overall that's why I and I think most of us are here - seeing the > possibilities of the marriage between RF (Ham) and the internet (the > "44net" part of things...) > > Lastly, my web hosting and IT businesses are on the side, but I've been > striving to get a few pages built on relevant domain names, and to help > develop a central repository of tools, history, FORUMS (like we don't > already have enough to keep up with,) etc. Stuff like Tadd Torborg's > (KA2DEW) history is important stuff. If anyone has anything else to > contribute or knows where there is something they'd like to see on such a > site, please let me know. > > Just my opinions + ideas... > > 73,. AJM, KB2AJM > > > > Get BlueMail for Android > On Nov 12, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: >> >> I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, >> >> >> >> Just some food for thought here, but it's worth taking a look at the >> Wi-SUN standard, if for no other reason than educational purposes. Wi-SUN >> is a collection of protocols put together as a stack for the utility >> industry. The key elements are COAP and IPv6 running on top of an 802.15.4g >> mesh network. If you're familiar with 802.15.4 (zigbee, etc) "g" is not >> that different except it's specified for 900 MHz in addition to 2.4 GHz, >> and they tuned some of the timings to allow for a greater number of nodes >> and longer propagation delays (longer paths). They also pull in some >> dynamic routing algorithms perhaps more appropriate for the medium. >> >> It has long been my dream to build a ham/packet radio out of an >> integrated ARM RF chip. Currently I'm working with one from T.I. called >> the CC1352P. That chip supports both 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz (though not quite >> at the same time). I have this dream of a <$50 packet node (maybe even >> <$25) that's so cheap we can just flood regions with them - convince every >> ham to put one up on their property, and even try to get some grants from >> the 44.* IP address sale to help kickstart it. My vision for this would be >> kind of like what we did with the NEDA network in the 90s - dedicated, >> protected backbone links, separate from user inks. >> >> My goal, though, would be 100% RF. Back in the 90s, from here in >> Rochester, I could chat (type) with other hams as far away as Maine and New >> Jersey, and way up into Toronto and Coburg, entirely via radio. It was all >> VHF/UHF. It supported TCP/IP over AX.25 (and some variant of Netrom). It >> worked because we had engineers who carefully designed each of the links as >> well as their timing. It was amazing. I got distracted by other things >> for a while and when I stepped back into packet I found out that the >> majority of links now depended on the internet. IMO that's just wrong - it >> defeats the purpose, and it cancels out any 'emergency communications' role >> we may have at one time had (and believe me it was real, the emergency >> management offices in New York as well as other states followed what we >> were doing closely and let us use some of their sites and other resources). >> >> Someday I want to get back to that. My idea on how to do it is a cheap >> integrated packet radio, and just put them up everywhere. Take a look at >> what electric utilities are doing with AMI networks. >> >> If you want to know some of the history of "where we were", Tadd Torborg >> (KA2DEW) has done a pretty good job of preserving the history here >> ... you can see >> some of the maps of our network here >> but I'm >> actually having trouble getting that link to load (slow web server). >> >> My personal wish is that when it comes to packet radio we'd get back to >> thinking this way. >> >> --Chris, WZ2B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < >> andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: >> >>> Hello Mitch KE7WWT. >>> >>> Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely >>> ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to >>> "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications >>> technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. >>> >>> You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down >>> here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not >>> ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas >>> that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. >>> And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress >>> regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and >>> I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - >>> trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller >>> lot of property. >>> >>> I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my >>> (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've >>> built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to >>> congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way >>> over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly >>> what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working >>> in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) >>> >>> So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is >>> (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand >>> this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you >>> have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. >>> >>> I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and >>> where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any >>> assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER >>> GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. >>> >>> With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, >>> I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, >>> as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, >>> Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a >>> heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for >>> example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to >>> send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over >>> internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've >>> been toying around with... >>> >>> Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. >>> >>> 73 again, >>> >>> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Get BlueMail for Android >>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < >>> maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> KE7WWT >>>> Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. >>>> >>>> I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. >>>> >>>> I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. >>>> >>>> Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. >>>> >>>> In the end. . I need a lot of help. >>>> >>>> Mitch >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >>>> To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >>>> Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY >>>> >>>> So far we have seen introductions from: >>>> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. >>>> >>>> How about the rest of this 92 person group? >>>> What is your set-up or what will it be? >>>> What software, hardware, services, etc? >>>> Let us all help each other to get things going. >>>> >>>> On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we >>>>> >>>>> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a >>>>> >>>>> great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, >>>>> >>>>> what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system >>>>> >>>>> you are running, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >>>>> >>>>> knowledge/projects. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will start: >>>>> >>>>> - N2NOV >>>>> >>>>> - Staten Island, NYC >>>>> >>>>> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >>>>> >>>>> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( >>>>> http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >>>>> >>>>> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >>>>> >>>>> - NY State 44Net/ >>>>> AMPR.org coordinator >>>>> >>>>> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) >>>>> >>>>> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >>>>> >>>>> ( >>>>> http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >>>>> >>>>> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >>>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. >>>> >>>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >>>> ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >>>> NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >>>> http://www.nyc-arecs.org >>>> >>>> NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 >>>> >>>> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan >>>> >>>> "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus >>>> >>>> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) >>>> >>>> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Rudolph FCC License: N2YP-Extra Class Otsego County Amateur Radio Emergency Services Assistant Emergency Coordinator Oneonta Amateur Radio Club Treasurer Chenango Valley Amateur Radio Association Co-Trustee W2RME Repeater Associate Real Estate Broker Country Squire Realty 23 Martin Brook St Unadilla, NY 13849 607-437-2435 (C) 607-369-HOME (W) 607-437-3097 (WC) john at n2yp.com -------- Original Message -------- From: George Masny Sent: November 15, 2020 1:19:41 PM EST To: 44Net Sysops in NY State Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Hi! Still have some packet equipment in mothballs - a complete node/BBS setup with two link radios.? Unfortunately, my East and West links are no longer there and the internet made the BBS obsolete...? Oh, BTW - I was the SysOp at WB2WXQ BBS and KPARK node. 73 de KA2GPJ George S Masny?USA, EKC & USPS(Retired) On Saturday, November 14, 2020, 11:08:10 AM EST, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Great introductions from KE7WWT, K3LTC, KB2LFZ, K2QQY, WZ2B and W2DAB. Over the past few days we have picked up list members from NY-NBEMS and UNYPROG groups on Yahoo.? Unfortunately, I have found a few who are SK. We have 14 who have YAHOO.COM email addresses that at times get throttled. It is best if they use a non-Yahoo/AOL/Verizon address like GMAIL, etc. If you know of someone who should be on this list, pass along the invite. They can go to http://HamGateNY.n2nov.net and go to the mailing list link. On 11/10/2020 11:28 PM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > So far we have seen introductions from: > KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > > How about the rest of this 92 person group? > What is your set-up or what will it be? > What software, hardware, services, etc? > Let us all help each other to get things going. > > On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we >> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists).? This would be a great >> opportunity to introduce yourselves.? Give us your callsign, what area of >> NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are >> running, etc. >> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >> knowledge/projects. >> >> I will start: >> - N2NOV >> - Staten Island, NYC >> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS (http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >> - NY State 44Net/AMPR.org coordinator >> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) >> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >> (http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. 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URL: From radiowebst at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 17:16:37 2020 From: radiowebst at gmail.com (Brian Webster) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 17:16:37 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: <0d7801d6bd2f$51efa220$f5cee660$@gmail.com> The IOT stuff can easily be transported across an IP enabled packet network. That is just another benefit we can offer. A low bandwidth but geographically large backup network. IP is IP and we should strive to have that and be able to add new uses than we currently do for packet. Lora is another cool technology we should be able to bring in to the fold. Route the information to gateways and such. This list and a couple of others has spurred a lot of activity recently and at least across NY we aren?t too far from getting a minimal RF network back on the air. Let?s keep this conversation going! Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Piggott Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:53 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. So I'm learning a lot myself about sensor/IoT and RF... I work with ZigBee but it doesn't really scale across a regions. 802.15.4g helps a little but I'm not really sure the mesh strategies of Wi-SUN have scaled that well, either. They're better, but some of the utility installations around the country have not really gone very well in terms of bandwidth and performance. But I like these IoT-like approaches because the hardware tends to be cheap. LoRa looks interesting, too, but I don't know much about it. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:50 AM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) wrote: Hi Chris, WZ2B. I have a few comments and ideas in ref to your post below. First, I love your ideas both on networking and on IoT. I haven't gotten to the point skill-wise yet as to design my own units based on individual chips myself just yet (I do read some TI and other manufacturers specs to learn) but I hope to get there someday myself someday. In the meantime I am relegated to playing with Arduinos and RPis as my starting points for IoT, sensors, etc. and with my house "wired" using Samsung "SmartThings" (all Zigbee and Z-Wave.) So I'm learning a lot myself about sensor/IoT and RF... With regards to networking, I agree that the whole "purpose" of our ventures are ultimately to again surplant the need internet connectivity if and where possible - a fully RF network would be a wonderful thing to have once again... However even though I agree it's nowhere near the same thing, as is usually the case, industry and politics have stolen ideas from the volunteer tinkerers who invented it, and are focusing their efforts on things like community broadband + WISPs (which still won't reach more rural areas like some near me) and FirstNet, which has a goal of covering 98% of the populated US area with Cellular including high-speed data applications for emergency services. The downside of this obviously the reliance on a monopoly centrally controlled network that relies heavily on a on physical infrastructure, and still won't cover some of the rural areas like I live in (we still have cellular dead zones and our County OEMS with their wonderfully engineered, brand new 14-tower linked system still can't get a signal to some parts of our area...) And so while Hams still see the need and think contingency-wise, and SOME at the County/ State (RACES) and occasionally Federal levels still acknowledge our usefulness, some egos feel we're just an outdated, outmoded bunch of hobbyists whom they don't understand invented or trial tested most of the technologies they take for granted today. I personally am one if those just getting into the hobby, and see a marriage of technologies possible, for the benefits of all parts. Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection .ay not be possible or feasible (like my area, for example,) and RF wherever possible both for access, fun, and for redundancy/resiliency for when (not if) the Internet goes down (or even gets congested, like DDoS attacks or the SQL Slammer work if anyone remembers that - I was in IT + Voice Telecom at the time...) Overall that's why I and I think most of us are here - seeing the possibilities of the marriage between RF (Ham) and the internet (the "44net" part of things...) Lastly, my web hosting and IT businesses are on the side, but I've been striving to get a few pages built on relevant domain names, and to help develop a central repository of tools, history, FORUMS (like we don't already have enough to keep up with,) etc. Stuff like Tadd Torborg's (KA2DEW) history is important stuff. If anyone has anything else to contribute or knows where there is something they'd like to see on such a site, please let me know. Just my opinions + ideas... 73,. AJM, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 12, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, Just some food for thought here, but it's worth taking a look at the Wi-SUN standard, if for no other reason than educational purposes. Wi-SUN is a collection of protocols put together as a stack for the utility industry. The key elements are COAP and IPv6 running on top of an 802.15.4g mesh network. If you're familiar with 802.15.4 (zigbee, etc) "g" is not that different except it's specified for 900 MHz in addition to 2.4 GHz, and they tuned some of the timings to allow for a greater number of nodes and longer propagation delays (longer paths). They also pull in some dynamic routing algorithms perhaps more appropriate for the medium. It has long been my dream to build a ham/packet radio out of an integrated ARM RF chip. Currently I'm working with one from T.I. called the CC1352P. That chip supports both 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz (though not quite at the same time). I have this dream of a <$50 packet node (maybe even <$25) that's so cheap we can just flood regions with them - convince every ham to put one up on their property, and even try to get some grants from the 44.* IP address sale to help kickstart it. My vision for this would be kind of like what we did with the NEDA network in the 90s - dedicated, protected backbone links, separate from user inks. My goal, though, would be 100% RF. Back in the 90s, from here in Rochester, I could chat (type) with other hams as far away as Maine and New Jersey, and way up into Toronto and Coburg, entirely via radio. It was all VHF/UHF. It supported TCP/IP over AX.25 (and some variant of Netrom). It worked because we had engineers who carefully designed each of the links as well as their timing. It was amazing. I got distracted by other things for a while and when I stepped back into packet I found out that the majority of links now depended on the internet. IMO that's just wrong - it defeats the purpose, and it cancels out any 'emergency communications' role we may have at one time had (and believe me it was real, the emergency management offices in New York as well as other states followed what we were doing closely and let us use some of their sites and other resources). Someday I want to get back to that. My idea on how to do it is a cheap integrated packet radio, and just put them up everywhere. Take a look at what electric utilities are doing with AMI networks. If you want to know some of the history of "where we were", Tadd Torborg (KA2DEW) has done a pretty good job of preserving the history here ... you can see some of the maps of our network here but I'm actually having trouble getting that link to load (slow web server). My personal wish is that when it comes to packet radio we'd get back to thinking this way. --Chris, WZ2B On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n2nov at n2nov.net Thu Nov 19 10:32:48 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:32:48 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects Message-ID: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> Here is the scenario for this year's winter projects. We need people in each of the various areas of the state to concentrate on the following: WNY - develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and then east to Wayne and Broome CNY - develop links to WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson Capitol - strengthen reach in all four directions Hudson Valley - need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and NYC NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and Rockland/Orange We have 62 counties across the state and need to eventually service the various EOCs and NGOs in those counties. Even if you are not ready for RF links, at least set up the bbs and link across the internet using 44Net. Experiment there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF. When you are ready, then add the RF directional links. We all have a stake in making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to support our counties, while at the same time providing a training ground for our local ham clubs and members. There are plenty on this list that can help with their expertise, provide working examples of bbs software configuration and their experience on RF infrastructure. All you have to do is ask. -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From radiowebst at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 11:52:23 2020 From: radiowebst at gmail.com (Brian Webster) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 11:52:23 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects In-Reply-To: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> References: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <119601d6be94$5b0d64d0$11282e70$@gmail.com> Central NY has some interest in the Utica area and I think we can link them via RF to the Capital region based on their ability to hear various nodes. We have a working node for Chenango County so the reach into Broome should be fairly easy. I will work on re-contacting the Oswego County folks to see if they have got their node stack moved and if we can get the RF link from them to Wayne County functional again. Rusty and the State Homeland Security team have installed antennas and lines on a tower in Bristol, that now awaits them having time to get that node on the air with link ability to the East and West. They should be able to link to the W2DUC site in Ontario County which links via RF to Wayne County. That gets the RF systems linked as Far as Bristol. Rusty says Chautauqua County is ready to get back on line if they have a site to link to. There used to be a link from Oswego to Watertown, hopefully we can get that revived. The guys in the interior of the Adirondacks have given me some site locations to check for possible paths to the existing network. Buffalo and the Southern Tier areas need some activity. In the Catskills the user port radio in Stamford should offer a large footprint. Check it out on 145.770 with the call of N2PKB. That site has links to the Capital District and gateway nodes. The path up the Hudson Valley will be a challenge. In the old NEDA days we ran paths through Norther NJ in to Northeast PA and then up to Cortland to hub out from there. The Cortland node stack was taken down due to lack of interest on their part. Chris WW2BSA has a site that if he gets back on line in PA, might be able to link to Camelback Mountain which if we can get them to install link radios we can hear at the Stamford site. So that could solve the downstate to upstate link via RF. For any of you who can log in to a FlexNet node, if you issue an "A" command for announcements, most nodes have an old long list of where packet stations used to be active. Maybe take a look at that and try to revive those locations. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:33 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects Here is the scenario for this year's winter projects. We need people in each of the various areas of the state to concentrate on the following: WNY - develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and then east to Wayne and Broome CNY - develop links to WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson Capitol - strengthen reach in all four directions Hudson Valley - need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and NYC NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and Rockland/Orange We have 62 counties across the state and need to eventually service the various EOCs and NGOs in those counties. Even if you are not ready for RF links, at least set up the bbs and link across the internet using 44Net. Experiment there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF. When you are ready, then add the RF directional links. We all have a stake in making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to support our counties, while at the same time providing a training ground for our local ham clubs and members. There are plenty on this list that can help with their expertise, provide working examples of bbs software configuration and their experience on RF infrastructure. All you have to do is ask. -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From n2nov at n2nov.net Thu Nov 19 13:02:12 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 13:02:12 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects In-Reply-To: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> References: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> Message-ID: Here's an update from N2KGC: Central NY has some interest in the Utica area and I think we can link them via RF to the Capital region based on their ability to hear various nodes. We have a working node for Chenango County so the reach into Broome should be fairly easy. I will work on re-contacting the Oswego County folks to see if they have got their node stack moved and if we can get the RF link from them to Wayne County functional again. Rusty and the State Homeland Security team have installed antennas and lines on a tower in Bristol, that now awaits them having time to get that node on the air with link ability to the East and West. They should be able to link to the W2DUC site in Ontario County which links via RF to Wayne County. That gets the RF systems linked as Far as Bristol. Rusty says Chautauqua County is ready to get back on line if they have a site to link to. There used to be a link from Oswego to Watertown, hopefully we can get that revived. The guys in the interior of the Adirondacks have given me some site locations to check for possible paths to the existing network. Buffalo and the Southern Tier areas need some activity. In the Catskills the user port radio in Stamford should offer a large footprint. Check it out on 145.770 with the call of N2PKB. That site has links to the Capital District and gateway nodes. The path up the Hudson Valley will be a challenge. In the old NEDA days we ran paths through Norther NJ in to Northeast PA and then up to Cortland to hub out from there. The Cortland node stack was taken down due to lack of interest on their part. Chris WW2BSA has a site that if he gets back on line in PA, might be able to link to Camelback Mountain which if we can get them to install link radios we can hear at the Stamford site. So that could solve the downstate to upstate link via RF. For any of you who can log in to a FlexNet node, if you issue an "A" command for announcements, most nodes have an old long list of where packet stations used to be active. Maybe take a look at that and try to revive those locations. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC On 11/19/2020 10:32 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Here is the scenario for this year's winter projects.? We need people in > each of the various areas of the state to concentrate on the following: > > WNY - develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and > ????? then east to Wayne and Broome > > CNY - develop links to WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson > > Capitol - strengthen reach in all four directions > > Hudson Valley - need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and > ??????????????? replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester > > LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and NYC > > NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and Rockland/Orange > > We have 62 counties across the state and need to eventually service the > various EOCs and NGOs in those counties.? Even if you are not ready for > RF links, at least set up the bbs and link across the internet using > 44Net.? Experiment there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF. > When you are ready, then add the RF directional links.? We all have a > stake in making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to > support our counties, while at the same time providing a training ground > for our local ham clubs and members.? There are plenty on this list that > can help with their expertise, provide working examples of bbs software > configuration and their experience on RF infrastructure.? All you have > to do is ask. > -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From K2JJT at Kesters.org Thu Nov 19 15:17:25 2020 From: K2JJT at Kesters.org (Bob, K2JJT) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 15:17:25 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> Message-ID: At W2DUC I should be able to link to Bristol with no problem.? Used to connect to K2CAN, and the Bristol site is probably much higher. The antenna (440 horizontal) is still on the tower, unless I ran into a problem programming the transceiver, that should be easy here. Incidentally, we are at the eastern edge of Monroe County. ...Bob, K2JJT On 11/19/20 1:02 PM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Here's an update from N2KGC: > > Central NY has some interest in the Utica area and I think we can link > them via RF to the Capital region based on their ability to hear > various nodes. > > We have a working node for Chenango County so the reach into Broome > should be fairly easy. > > I will work on re-contacting the Oswego County folks to see if they > have got their node stack moved and if we can get the RF link from > them to Wayne County functional again. > > Rusty and the State Homeland Security team have installed antennas and > lines on a tower in Bristol, that now awaits them having time to get > that node on the air with link ability to the East and West. They > should be able to link to the W2DUC site in Ontario County which links > via RF to Wayne County. That gets the RF systems linked as Far as > Bristol. > > Rusty says Chautauqua County is ready to get back on line if they have > a site to link to. > > There used to be a link from Oswego to Watertown, hopefully we can get > that revived. > > The guys in the interior of the Adirondacks have given me some site > locations to check for possible paths to the existing network. > > Buffalo and the Southern Tier areas need some activity. > > In the Catskills the user port radio in Stamford should offer a large > footprint. Check it out on 145.770 with the call of N2PKB. That site > has links to the Capital District and gateway nodes. > > The path up the Hudson Valley will be a challenge. In the old NEDA > days we ran paths through Norther NJ in to Northeast PA and then up to > Cortland to hub out from there. The Cortland node stack was taken down > due to lack of interest on their part. > > Chris WW2BSA has a site that if he gets back on line in PA, might be > able to link to Camelback Mountain which if we can get them to install > link radios we can hear at the Stamford site. So that could solve the > downstate to upstate link via RF. > > For any of you who can log in to a FlexNet node, if you issue an "A" > command for announcements, most nodes have an old long list of where > packet stations used to be active. Maybe take a look at that and try > to revive those locations. > > Thank you, > Brian Webster N2KGC > > On 11/19/2020 10:32 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> Here is the scenario for this year's winter projects.? We need people in >> each of the various areas of the state to concentrate on the following: >> >> WNY - develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and >> ?????? then east to Wayne and Broome >> >> CNY - develop links to WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson >> >> Capitol - strengthen reach in all four directions >> >> Hudson Valley - need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and >> ???????????????? replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester >> >> LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and NYC >> >> NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and Rockland/Orange >> >> We have 62 counties across the state and need to eventually service the >> various EOCs and NGOs in those counties.? Even if you are not ready for >> RF links, at least set up the bbs and link across the internet using >> 44Net.? Experiment there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF. >> When you are ready, then add the RF directional links.? We all have a >> stake in making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to >> support our counties, while at the same time providing a training ground >> for our local ham clubs and members.? There are plenty on this list that >> can help with their expertise, provide working examples of bbs software >> configuration and their experience on RF infrastructure.? All you have >> to do is ask. >> > -- 73 from Bob, K2JJT From andrew at kb2ajm.us Thu Nov 19 15:34:24 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 15:34:24 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <2da8a9bc-c6d0-42e9-a830-991d35de898e@kb2ajm.us> No Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 19, 2020, 1:02 PM, at 1:02 PM, "Charles J. Hargrove" wrote: >
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>has some interest in the Utica area and I think we can link 
them
>via RF to the Capital region based on their ability to hear various 
/>nodes.

We have a working node for Chenango County so the
>reach into Broome 
should be fairly easy.

I will work
>on re-contacting the Oswego County folks to see if they have 
got
>their node stack moved and if we can get the RF link from them to 
/>Wayne County functional again.

Rusty and the State
>Homeland Security team have installed antennas and 
lines on a
>tower in Bristol, that now awaits them having time to get 
that
>node on the air with link ability to the East and West. They should 
/>be able to link to the W2DUC site in Ontario County which links via
>RF 
to Wayne County. That gets the RF systems linked as Far as
>Bristol.

Rusty says Chautauqua County is ready to get back
>on line if they have a 
site to link to.

There used to
>be a link from Oswego to Watertown, hopefully we can get 
that
>revived.

The guys in the interior of the Adirondacks have
>given me some site 
locations to check for possible paths to the
>existing network.

Buffalo and the Southern Tier areas need
>some activity.

In the Catskills the user port radio in
>Stamford should offer a large 
footprint. Check it out on 145.770
>with the call of N2PKB. That site has 
links to the Capital
>District and gateway nodes.

The path up the Hudson Valley
>will be a challenge. In the old NEDA days 
we ran paths through
>Norther NJ in to Northeast PA and then up to 
Cortland to hub out
>from there. The Cortland node stack was taken down 
due to lack of
>interest on their part.

Chris WW2BSA has a site that if he
>gets back on line in PA, might be 
able to link to Camelback
>Mountain which if we can get them to install 
link radios we can
>hear at the Stamford site. So that could solve the 
downstate to
>upstate link via RF.

For any of you who can log in to a
>FlexNet node, if you issue an "A" 
command for announcements, most
>nodes have an old long list of where 
packet stations used to be
>active. Maybe take a look at that and try to 
revive those
>locations.

Thank you,
Brian Webster N2KGC

On
>11/19/2020 10:32 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px
>solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Here is the scenario for this
>year's winter projects.? We need people in
 each of the various
>areas of the state to concentrate on the following:
 
 WNY -
>develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and

>????? then east to Wayne and Broome
 
 CNY - develop links to
>WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson
 
 Capitol -
>strengthen reach in all four directions
 
 Hudson Valley -
>need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and
 
>??????????????? replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester
 
/> LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and
>NYC
 
 NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and
>Rockland/Orange
 
 We have 62 counties across the state and
>need to eventually service the
 various EOCs and NGOs in those
>counties.? Even if you are not ready for
 RF links, at least set
>up the bbs and link across the internet using
 44Net.? Experiment
>there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF.
 When you are
>ready, then add the RF directional links.? We all have a
 stake in
>making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to

>support our counties, while at the same time providing a training
>ground
 for our local ham clubs and members.? There are plenty on
>this list that
 can help with their expertise, provide working
>examples of bbs software
 configuration and their experience on RF
>infrastructure.? All you have
 to do is ask.
 
/>

-- 
Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
/>NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.

/>NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL
ARnewsline Broadcast Mon.
>@ 8:00PM
NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM
href="http://www.nyc-arecs.org">http://www.nyc-arecs.org

/>NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @
>7PM
on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16
>or 32

"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps
>through the walls 
topped
by barbed wire, it wafts across the
>electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan

"The more corrupt the
>state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus

"Molann an obair
>an fear" - Irish Saying
(The work praises the man.)

"No
>matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services
>it
provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald
>Reagan

-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarchambeault at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 17:03:44 2020 From: jjarchambeault at gmail.com (Jeff Archambeault) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 17:03:44 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> Message-ID: No problem hitting N2PKB with ~20 watts from this vantage point, abt 20 miles NW of Rusty. I'm looking for a gateway into K1FFK on 145.050. I can get into Warren County's digi on Prospect Mt from there. 73 de Jeff AJ2A Jeff Archambeault Proprietor, Bark Eater Studios Technology Frustration Resolution Solutions jeff at barkeaterstudios.com (518) 696-5675 (home) (518) 595-9815 (cell) On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:02 PM Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Here's an update from N2KGC: > > Central NY has some interest in the Utica area and I think we can link > them via RF to the Capital region based on their ability to hear various > nodes. > > We have a working node for Chenango County so the reach into Broome > should be fairly easy. > > I will work on re-contacting the Oswego County folks to see if they have > got their node stack moved and if we can get the RF link from them to > Wayne County functional again. > > Rusty and the State Homeland Security team have installed antennas and > lines on a tower in Bristol, that now awaits them having time to get > that node on the air with link ability to the East and West. They should > be able to link to the W2DUC site in Ontario County which links via RF > to Wayne County. That gets the RF systems linked as Far as Bristol. > > Rusty says Chautauqua County is ready to get back on line if they have a > site to link to. > > There used to be a link from Oswego to Watertown, hopefully we can get > that revived. > > The guys in the interior of the Adirondacks have given me some site > locations to check for possible paths to the existing network. > > Buffalo and the Southern Tier areas need some activity. > > In the Catskills the user port radio in Stamford should offer a large > footprint. Check it out on 145.770 with the call of N2PKB. That site has > links to the Capital District and gateway nodes. > > The path up the Hudson Valley will be a challenge. In the old NEDA days > we ran paths through Norther NJ in to Northeast PA and then up to > Cortland to hub out from there. The Cortland node stack was taken down > due to lack of interest on their part. > > Chris WW2BSA has a site that if he gets back on line in PA, might be > able to link to Camelback Mountain which if we can get them to install > link radios we can hear at the Stamford site. So that could solve the > downstate to upstate link via RF. > > For any of you who can log in to a FlexNet node, if you issue an "A" > command for announcements, most nodes have an old long list of where > packet stations used to be active. Maybe take a look at that and try to > revive those locations. > > Thank you, > Brian Webster N2KGC > > On 11/19/2020 10:32 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > > Here is the scenario for this year's winter projects. We need people in > > each of the various areas of the state to concentrate on the following: > > > > WNY - develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and > > then east to Wayne and Broome > > > > CNY - develop links to WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson > > > > Capitol - strengthen reach in all four directions > > > > Hudson Valley - need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and > > replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester > > > > LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and NYC > > > > NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and Rockland/Orange > > > > We have 62 counties across the state and need to eventually service the > > various EOCs and NGOs in those counties. Even if you are not ready for > > RF links, at least set up the bbs and link across the internet using > > 44Net. Experiment there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF. > > When you are ready, then add the RF directional links. We all have a > > stake in making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to > > support our counties, while at the same time providing a training ground > > for our local ham clubs and members. There are plenty on this list that > > can help with their expertise, provide working examples of bbs software > > configuration and their experience on RF infrastructure. All you have > > to do is ask. > > > > -- > Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV > NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > > NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL > ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM > NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM > http://www.nyc-arecs.org > > NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM > on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > > "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls > topped > by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan > > "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > > "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying > (The work praises the man.) > > "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it > provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ka2gpj at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 17:15:28 2020 From: ka2gpj at yahoo.com (George Masny) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 22:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects In-Reply-To: <2da8a9bc-c6d0-42e9-a830-991d35de898e@kb2ajm.us> References: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> <2da8a9bc-c6d0-42e9-a830-991d35de898e@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: <1057724898.26294.1605824128808@mail.yahoo.com> No? George S Masny?USA, EKC & USPS(Retired) On Thursday, November 19, 2020, 03:35:51 PM EST, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) wrote: No Get BlueMail for AndroidOn Nov 19, 2020, at 1:02 PM, "Charles J. Hargrove" wrote: Here's an update from N2KGC: Central NY has some interest in the Utica area and I think we can link them via RF to the Capital region based on their ability to hear various nodes. We have a working node for Chenango County so the reach into Broome should be fairly easy. I will work on re-contacting the Oswego County folks to see if they have got their node stack moved and if we can get the RF link from them to Wayne County functional again. Rusty and the State Homeland Security team have installed antennas and lines on a tower in Bristol, that now awaits them having time to get that node on the air with link ability to the East and West. They should be able to link to the W2DUC site in Ontario County which links via RF to Wayne County. That gets the RF systems linked as Far as Bristol. Rusty says Chautauqua County is ready to get back on line if they have a site to link to. There used to be a link from Oswego to Watertown, hopefully we can get that revived. The guys in the interior of the Adirondacks have given me some site locations to check for possible paths to the existing network. Buffalo and the Southern Tier areas need some activity. In the Catskills the user port radio in Stamford should offer a large footprint. Check it out on 145.770 with the call of N2PKB. That site has links to the Capital District and gateway nodes. The path up the Hudson Valley will be a challenge. In the old NEDA days we ran paths through Norther NJ in to Northeast PA and then up to Cortland to hub out from there. The Cortland node stack was taken down due to lack of interest on their part. Chris WW2BSA has a site that if he gets back on line in PA, might be able to link to Camelback Mountain which if we can get them to install link radios we can hear at the Stamford site. So that could solve the downstate to upstate link via RF. For any of you who can log in to a FlexNet node, if you issue an "A" command for announcements, most nodes have an old long list of where packet stations used to be active. Maybe take a look at that and try to revive those locations. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC On 11/19/2020 10:32 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Here is the scenario for this year's winter projects.? We need people in each of the various areas of the state to concentrate on the following: WNY - develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and ????? then east to Wayne and Broome CNY - develop links to WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson Capitol - strengthen reach in all four directions Hudson Valley - need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and ??????????????? replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and NYC NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and Rockland/Orange We have 62 counties across the state and need to eventually service the various EOCs and NGOs in those counties.? Even if you are not ready for RF links, at least set up the bbs and link across the internet using 44Net.? Experiment there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF. When you are ready, then add the RF directional links.? We all have a stake in making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to support our counties, while at the same time providing a training ground for our local ham clubs and members.? There are plenty on this list that can help with their expertise, provide working examples of bbs software configuration and their experience on RF infrastructure.? All you have to do is ask. -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markscrano at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 19:05:59 2020 From: markscrano at gmail.com (Mark Scrano) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 19:05:59 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net> Message-ID: I have a node that has been up and down(on 44net) and isn't peered via RF currently in Onondaga county. I would potentially be interested in peering from my QTH (K2EXE- fn12uu) and there's the possibility of finding more interest at the Bear Bait Radio club in Clay, NY. I am also planning a node at our club HQ which has a decent sized tower. Mark Scrano K2EXE On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:02 PM Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Here's an update from N2KGC: > > Central NY has some interest in the Utica area and I think we can link > them via RF to the Capital region based on their ability to hear various > nodes. > > We have a working node for Chenango County so the reach into Broome > should be fairly easy. > > I will work on re-contacting the Oswego County folks to see if they have > got their node stack moved and if we can get the RF link from them to > Wayne County functional again. > > Rusty and the State Homeland Security team have installed antennas and > lines on a tower in Bristol, that now awaits them having time to get > that node on the air with link ability to the East and West. They should > be able to link to the W2DUC site in Ontario County which links via RF > to Wayne County. That gets the RF systems linked as Far as Bristol. > > Rusty says Chautauqua County is ready to get back on line if they have a > site to link to. > > There used to be a link from Oswego to Watertown, hopefully we can get > that revived. > > The guys in the interior of the Adirondacks have given me some site > locations to check for possible paths to the existing network. > > Buffalo and the Southern Tier areas need some activity. > > In the Catskills the user port radio in Stamford should offer a large > footprint. Check it out on 145.770 with the call of N2PKB. That site has > links to the Capital District and gateway nodes. > > The path up the Hudson Valley will be a challenge. In the old NEDA days > we ran paths through Norther NJ in to Northeast PA and then up to > Cortland to hub out from there. The Cortland node stack was taken down > due to lack of interest on their part. > > Chris WW2BSA has a site that if he gets back on line in PA, might be > able to link to Camelback Mountain which if we can get them to install > link radios we can hear at the Stamford site. So that could solve the > downstate to upstate link via RF. > > For any of you who can log in to a FlexNet node, if you issue an "A" > command for announcements, most nodes have an old long list of where > packet stations used to be active. Maybe take a look at that and try to > revive those locations. > > Thank you, > Brian Webster N2KGC > > On 11/19/2020 10:32 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > > Here is the scenario for this year's winter projects. We need people in > > each of the various areas of the state to concentrate on the following: > > > > WNY - develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and > > then east to Wayne and Broome > > > > CNY - develop links to WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson > > > > Capitol - strengthen reach in all four directions > > > > Hudson Valley - need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and > > replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester > > > > LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and NYC > > > > NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and Rockland/Orange > > > > We have 62 counties across the state and need to eventually service the > > various EOCs and NGOs in those counties. Even if you are not ready for > > RF links, at least set up the bbs and link across the internet using > > 44Net. Experiment there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF. > > When you are ready, then add the RF directional links. We all have a > > stake in making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to > > support our counties, while at the same time providing a training ground > > for our local ham clubs and members. There are plenty on this list that > > can help with their expertise, provide working examples of bbs software > > configuration and their experience on RF infrastructure. All you have > > to do is ask. > > > > -- > Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV > NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > > NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL > ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM > NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM > http://www.nyc-arecs.org > > NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM > on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > > "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls > topped > by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan > > "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > > "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying > (The work praises the man.) > > "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it > provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From radiowebst at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 23:30:01 2020 From: radiowebst at gmail.com (Brian Webster) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 23:30:01 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Introduction Message-ID: <136901d6bef5$d0809140$7181b3c0$@gmail.com> N2KGC - licensed with the same call since 1990. Active in packet the whole time. Located in Milford half way between Oneonta and Cooperstown Otsego County RACES officer, Catskills District DEC for the ARRL Sysop for node NC2C-1 in Cherry Valley (Flex DOS), W2RGI-2 (URONode) in Oneonta and N2KGC-1 gateway (URONode) at my home I have been working in the commercial wireless industry for 30 years as well. The last 18 with my own RF consulting company. Also very proficient in mapping and GIS systems which is a big part of my consulting as well. Not very good at command line Linux and/or routing and those file syntax's (but learning more each day) Able to conduct RF path studies with my engineering software as we discuss RF only links on the networks. Active with Rusty KE2PW in the quest to rebuild the NY RF packet network statewide. Not against internet linking of parts of the network but also want to see RF links as backups. I am ready to bring the packet systems in to the modern ham radio age, helping to develop, train and support the use of them. Creating better documentation and explanations. Out club has a large group of newer hams that never did the old packet networks in a simple terminal window. Anything that we can do to make better software interfaces with nice GUI's and able to use them on devices as well as regular computers I support. I am big in to Emergency management and really want to get a good statewide training program together, maybe starting with using the BBS systems and Outpost software. That does not require that we all agree upon a nodes operating systems and/or software. It just requires that we get all the BBS's across the state talking to each other with timely forwarding of messages and agree upon some message group name standards. Linking nodes and chat systems to central converse servers would be great and since we can also internet enable those, that may encourage more to participate since their mobile devices work on these systems. Not everyone is going to be able to sit in front of their computer and participate. I want to map all of the current packet systems in the state. I have all of the information on the former EastNet stations but am lacking any BPQ, BBS's, WinLink, and JNOS systems. These are the most recent maps I have of NY and even some of those nodes have gone dark for various reasons. Feel free to send me notes with your coordinates, frequencies, services etc. and I will start updating the maps. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: EastNet Central NY 5-20-20.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 160986 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What is even better news is that the WA2EMO may still have their 9600 baud radio up and running that used to connect to the old KA2QYT node. IF you can hear that site then half of the work is done. There are 6 or 7 regular packet users in Wayne County off the WA2EMO node site, they also have s second node WA2AAZ. I just talked to Jay Hamill KC2TCM. They still have a 9600 baud link on their site that used to aim to Auburn and the K2QYT node. Jack is a silent key and his nodes were taken down. Jay has one of his nodes and all the TNC?s and radios. If your location can hear their site we could easily set it back up at your QTH. Their user port frequency is 144.950 if you want to try to connect. The QYT node also used to connect to Fulton and Cortland. If you are interested in developing a full FlexNet node with all the equipment provided I think we can make that happen. The big mystery is the actual RF path being available. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Mark Scrano Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 7:06 PM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects I have a node that has been up and down(on 44net) and isn't peered via RF currently in Onondaga county. I would potentially be interested in peering from my QTH (K2EXE- fn12uu) and there's the possibility of finding more interest at the Bear Bait Radio club in Clay, NY. I am also planning a node at our club HQ which has a decent sized tower. Mark Scrano K2EXE On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:02 PM Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Here's an update from N2KGC: Central NY has some interest in the Utica area and I think we can link them via RF to the Capital region based on their ability to hear various nodes. We have a working node for Chenango County so the reach into Broome should be fairly easy. I will work on re-contacting the Oswego County folks to see if they have got their node stack moved and if we can get the RF link from them to Wayne County functional again. Rusty and the State Homeland Security team have installed antennas and lines on a tower in Bristol, that now awaits them having time to get that node on the air with link ability to the East and West. They should be able to link to the W2DUC site in Ontario County which links via RF to Wayne County. That gets the RF systems linked as Far as Bristol. Rusty says Chautauqua County is ready to get back on line if they have a site to link to. There used to be a link from Oswego to Watertown, hopefully we can get that revived. The guys in the interior of the Adirondacks have given me some site locations to check for possible paths to the existing network. Buffalo and the Southern Tier areas need some activity. In the Catskills the user port radio in Stamford should offer a large footprint. Check it out on 145.770 with the call of N2PKB. That site has links to the Capital District and gateway nodes. The path up the Hudson Valley will be a challenge. In the old NEDA days we ran paths through Norther NJ in to Northeast PA and then up to Cortland to hub out from there. The Cortland node stack was taken down due to lack of interest on their part. Chris WW2BSA has a site that if he gets back on line in PA, might be able to link to Camelback Mountain which if we can get them to install link radios we can hear at the Stamford site. So that could solve the downstate to upstate link via RF. For any of you who can log in to a FlexNet node, if you issue an "A" command for announcements, most nodes have an old long list of where packet stations used to be active. Maybe take a look at that and try to revive those locations. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC On 11/19/2020 10:32 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > Here is the scenario for this year's winter projects. We need people in > each of the various areas of the state to concentrate on the following: > > WNY - develop links and bbs computers from Chautauqua up to Buffalo and > then east to Wayne and Broome > > CNY - develop links to WNY, lower tier (Broome) and north to Jefferson > > Capitol - strengthen reach in all four directions > > Hudson Valley - need help on both sides of the Hudson to supplement and > replace coverage from Putnam and Westchester > > LI - build out links from Suffolk and Nassau to Westchester and NYC > > NYC - build out reach into LI, NJ, Westchester and Rockland/Orange > > We have 62 counties across the state and need to eventually service the > various EOCs and NGOs in those counties. Even if you are not ready for > RF links, at least set up the bbs and link across the internet using > 44Net. Experiment there with no downside of making mistakes vs RF. > When you are ready, then add the RF directional links. We all have a > stake in making sure that NY State has the messaging capabilities to > support our counties, while at the same time providing a training ground > for our local ham clubs and members. There are plenty on this list that > can help with their expertise, provide working examples of bbs software > configuration and their experience on RF infrastructure. All you have > to do is ask. > -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 153505 bytes Desc: not available URL: From radiowebst at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 23:58:32 2020 From: radiowebst at gmail.com (Brian Webster) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 23:58:32 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Test from phone client Message-ID: <175e404a8c0.27b0.801159d250f178372c352caf9ab9ffdc@gmail.com> N2kgc Thank you, Brian Webster 607-643-4055 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack is a silent key and his nodes were taken down. Jay has one of his nodes and all the TNC's and radios. If your location can hear their site we could easily set it back up at your QTH. Their user port frequency is 144.950 if you want to try to connect. The QYT node also used to connect to Fulton and Cortland. If you are interested in developing a full FlexNet node with all the equipment provided I think we can make that happen. The big mystery is the actual RF path being available. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC www.wirelessmapping.com cid:image003.jpg at 01D6BECF.070B3110 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not very good at command line Linux and/or routing and those file syntax's (but learning more each day) Able to conduct RF path studies with my engineering software as we discuss RF only links on the networks. Active with Rusty KE2PW in the quest to rebuild the NY RF packet network statewide. Not against internet linking of parts of the network but also want to see RF links as backups. I am ready to bring the packet systems in to the modern ham radio age, helping to develop, train and support the use of them. Creating better documentation and explanations. Out club has a large group of newer hams that never did the old packet networks in a simple terminal window. Anything that we can do to make better software interfaces with nice GUI's and able to use them on devices as well as regular computers I support. I am big in to Emergency management and really want to get a good statewide training program together, maybe starting with using the BBS systems and Outpost software. That does not require that we all agree upon a nodes operating systems and/or software. It just requires that we get all the BBS's across the state talking to each other with timely forwarding of messages and agree upon some message group name standards. Linking nodes and chat systems to central converse servers would be great and since we can also internet enable those, that may encourage more to participate since their mobile devices work on these systems. Not everyone is going to be able to sit in front of their computer and participate. I want to map all of the current packet systems in the state. I have all of the information on the former EastNet stations but am lacking any BPQ, BBS's, WinLink, and JNOS systems. These are the most recent maps I have of NY and even some of those nodes have gone dark for various reasons. Feel free to send me notes with your coordinates, frequencies, services etc. and I will start updating the maps. 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URL: From maurice at maurice-mitchell.com Fri Nov 20 11:49:22 2020 From: maurice at maurice-mitchell.com (MITCH KE7WWT/SSCP) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 11:49:22 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: <000f1a0e-d3c2-151e-9da4-d00b3133d4cc@n2nov.net>, Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lciotti at me.com Fri Nov 20 15:42:00 2020 From: lciotti at me.com (Louis Ciotti) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 15:42:00 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Introduction Message-ID: <0EF2E87F-3FF7-4FB6-ACF9-5652BFB06206@me.com> Hey all! So as an intro a bit about me... Current president of the Rome Radio Club and all around tech guy. I have been an EE for 20 years working mostly on analog and RF design work. Been a ham since early mid 2000s. I do not have a packet set up but I am very interested in getting the RF backbone back in place and am more than willing to help out where ever I can assuming I have time, which can be different with two kids. Our club has a site that judging by APRS coverage has good coverage south, east and west. North is a bit rough as we do not have much height above ground.w Sent from my iPhone From n2nov at n2nov.net Sun Nov 22 22:58:15 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 22:58:15 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Introduction In-Reply-To: <139401d6befb$4f13e160$ed3ba420$@stny.rr.com> References: <139401d6befb$4f13e160$ed3ba420$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <4b9aee3b-afc6-d5e9-781e-2b24d00971c5@n2nov.net> For those who have the capability to link their systems for WWconvers/chat, I host the Hub_NA chat server that links to various chat hubs in Europe. We are hoping that systems in other parts of the world get set up for chat. Hub_NA can be reached at 44.68.41.2 or convers.n2nov.net, both on port 3600. If you are using the non-44Net address, you have to contact me first to be added to the permissions file. On 11/20/2020 12:09 AM, Brian Webster wrote: > Linking nodes and chat systems to central converse servers would be > great and since we can also internet enable those, that may encourage > more to participate since their mobile devices work on these systems. > Not everyone is going to be able to sit in front of their computer and > participate. -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From andrew at kb2ajm.us Thu Nov 26 16:11:46 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 16:11:46 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not?be possible?? I do understand?that.? I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, 10:53 AM, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: >> >> Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF >connection >> may not be possible > > >I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > >So I'm learning a lot myself about sensor/IoT and RF... > > >I work with ZigBee but it doesn't really scale across a regions. >802.15.4g >helps a little but I'm not really sure the mesh strategies of Wi-SUN >have >scaled that well, either. They're better, but some of the utility >installations around the country have not really gone very well in >terms of >bandwidth and performance. But I like these IoT-like approaches >because >the hardware tends to be cheap. LoRa looks interesting, too, but I >don't >know much about it. > > > > > > > >On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:50 AM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < >andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > >> Hi Chris, WZ2B. >> >> I have a few comments and ideas in ref to your post below. >> >> First, I love your ideas both on networking and on IoT. I haven't >gotten >> to the point skill-wise yet as to design my own units based on >individual >> chips myself just yet (I do read some TI and other manufacturers >specs to >> learn) but I hope to get there someday myself someday. In the >meantime I am >> relegated to playing with Arduinos and RPis as my starting points for >IoT, >> sensors, etc. and with my house "wired" using Samsung "SmartThings" >(all >> Zigbee and Z-Wave.) So I'm learning a lot myself about sensor/IoT and >RF... >> >> With regards to networking, I agree that the whole "purpose" of our >> ventures are ultimately to again surplant the need internet >connectivity if >> and where possible - a fully RF network would be a wonderful thing to >have >> once again... >> >> However even though I agree it's nowhere near the same thing, as is >> usually the case, industry and politics have stolen ideas from the >> volunteer tinkerers who invented it, and are focusing their efforts >on >> things like community broadband + WISPs (which still won't reach more >rural >> areas like some near me) and FirstNet, which has a goal of covering >98% of >> the populated US area with Cellular including high-speed data >applications >> for emergency services. The downside of this obviously the reliance >on a >> monopoly centrally controlled network that relies heavily on a on >physical >> infrastructure, and still won't cover some of the rural areas like I >live >> in (we still have cellular dead zones and our County OEMS with their >> wonderfully engineered, brand new 14-tower linked system still can't >get a >> signal to some parts of our area...) >> >> And so while Hams still see the need and think contingency-wise, and >SOME >> at the County/ State (RACES) and occasionally Federal levels still >> acknowledge our usefulness, some egos feel we're just an outdated, >outmoded >> bunch of hobbyists whom they don't understand invented or trial >tested most >> of the technologies they take for granted today. >> >> I personally am one if those just getting into the hobby, and see a >> marriage of technologies possible, for the benefits of all parts. >Internet >> to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection .ay >not be >> possible or feasible (like my area, for example,) and RF wherever >possible >> both for access, fun, and for redundancy/resiliency for when (not if) >the >> Internet goes down (or even gets congested, like DDoS attacks or the >SQL >> Slammer work if anyone remembers that - I was in IT + Voice Telecom >at the >> time...) >> >> Overall that's why I and I think most of us are here - seeing the >> possibilities of the marriage between RF (Ham) and the internet (the >> "44net" part of things...) >> >> Lastly, my web hosting and IT businesses are on the side, but I've >been >> striving to get a few pages built on relevant domain names, and to >help >> develop a central repository of tools, history, FORUMS (like we don't >> already have enough to keep up with,) etc. Stuff like Tadd Torborg's >> (KA2DEW) history is important stuff. If anyone has anything else to >> contribute or knows where there is something they'd like to see on >such a >> site, please let me know. >> >> Just my opinions + ideas... >> >> 73,. AJM, KB2AJM >> >> >> >> Get BlueMail for Android >> On Nov 12, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Piggott > >> wrote: >>> >>> I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, >>> >>> >>> >>> Just some food for thought here, but it's worth taking a look at the >>> Wi-SUN standard, if for no other reason than educational purposes. >Wi-SUN >>> is a collection of protocols put together as a stack for the utility >>> industry. The key elements are COAP and IPv6 running on top of an >802.15.4g >>> mesh network. If you're familiar with 802.15.4 (zigbee, etc) "g" >is not >>> that different except it's specified for 900 MHz in addition to 2.4 >GHz, >>> and they tuned some of the timings to allow for a greater number of >nodes >>> and longer propagation delays (longer paths). They also pull in >some >>> dynamic routing algorithms perhaps more appropriate for the medium. >>> >>> It has long been my dream to build a ham/packet radio out of an >>> integrated ARM RF chip. Currently I'm working with one from T.I. >called >>> the CC1352P. That chip supports both 2.4 GHz and 900 MHz (though >not quite >>> at the same time). I have this dream of a <$50 packet node (maybe >even >>> <$25) that's so cheap we can just flood regions with them - convince >every >>> ham to put one up on their property, and even try to get some grants >from >>> the 44.* IP address sale to help kickstart it. My vision for this >would be >>> kind of like what we did with the NEDA network in the 90s - >dedicated, >>> protected backbone links, separate from user inks. >>> >>> My goal, though, would be 100% RF. Back in the 90s, from here in >>> Rochester, I could chat (type) with other hams as far away as Maine >and New >>> Jersey, and way up into Toronto and Coburg, entirely via radio. It >was all >>> VHF/UHF. It supported TCP/IP over AX.25 (and some variant of >Netrom). It >>> worked because we had engineers who carefully designed each of the >links as >>> well as their timing. It was amazing. I got distracted by other >things >>> for a while and when I stepped back into packet I found out that the >>> majority of links now depended on the internet. IMO that's just >wrong - it >>> defeats the purpose, and it cancels out any 'emergency >communications' role >>> we may have at one time had (and believe me it was real, the >emergency >>> management offices in New York as well as other states followed what >we >>> were doing closely and let us use some of their sites and other >resources). >>> >>> Someday I want to get back to that. My idea on how to do it is a >cheap >>> integrated packet radio, and just put them up everywhere. Take a >look at >>> what electric utilities are doing with AMI networks. >>> >>> If you want to know some of the history of "where we were", Tadd >Torborg >>> (KA2DEW) has done a pretty good job of preserving the history here >>> ... you can see >>> some of the maps of our network here >>> but >I'm >>> actually having trouble getting that link to load (slow web server). >>> >>> My personal wish is that when it comes to packet radio we'd get back >to >>> thinking this way. >>> >>> --Chris, WZ2B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. >KD2PLE) < >>> andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Mitch KE7WWT. >>>> >>>> Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely >>>> ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to >>>> "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications >>>> technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, >terrestrial, etc. >>>> >>>> You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but >down >>>> here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just >not >>>> ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have >ambitious ideas >>>> that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not >interested in. >>>> And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some >progress >>>> regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS >digipeaters and >>>> I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you >- >>>> trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even >smaller >>>> lot of property. >>>> >>>> I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my >>>> (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack >case I've >>>> built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to >>>> congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so >two-way >>>> over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is >exactly >>>> what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including >working >>>> in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) >>>> >>>> So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup >is >>>> (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to >expand >>>> this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of >set-up you >>>> have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. >>>> >>>> I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are >and >>>> where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any >>>> assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT >OFFER >>>> GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. >>>> >>>> With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP >equipment, >>>> I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of >public IPs, >>>> as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment >(Cisco, >>>> Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP >is a >>>> heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need >to (for >>>> example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into >TCP/IP to >>>> send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 >locations over >>>> internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas >I've >>>> been toying around with... >>>> >>>> Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. >>>> >>>> 73 again, >>>> >>>> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Get BlueMail for Android >>>> On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < >>>> maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> KE7WWT >>>>> Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's >throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 >months, 5 days and 2 hours. >>>>> >>>>> I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and >RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. >I am also a MARS operator. >>>>> >>>>> I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes >dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things >change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box >or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that >serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base >station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the >ability to link and interface Packet. >>>>> >>>>> Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) >are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very >little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have >taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does >not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot >of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I >still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only >pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a >larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is >internet-enabled. >>>>> >>>>> In the end. . I need a lot of help. >>>>> >>>>> Mitch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles >J. Hargrove >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >>>>> To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >>>>> Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY >>>>> >>>>> So far we have seen introductions from: >>>>> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. >>>>> >>>>> How about the rest of this 92 person group? >>>>> What is your set-up or what will it be? >>>>> What software, hardware, services, etc? >>>>> Let us all help each other to get things going. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the >HamGateNY list, we >>>>>> >>>>>> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would >be a >>>>>> >>>>>> great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your >callsign, >>>>>> >>>>>> what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet >system >>>>>> >>>>>> you are running, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >>>>>> >>>>>> knowledge/projects. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I will start: >>>>>> >>>>>> - N2NOV >>>>>> >>>>>> - Staten Island, NYC >>>>>> >>>>>> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >>>>>> >>>>>> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( >>>>>> http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >>>>>> >>>>>> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >>>>>> >>>>>> - NY State 44Net/ >>>>>> AMPR.org coordinator >>>>>> >>>>>> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web >hosting) >>>>>> >>>>>> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >>>>>> >>>>>> ( >>>>>> http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >>>>>> >>>>>> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >>>>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. >>>>> >>>>> NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >>>>> ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >>>>> NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >>>>> http://www.nyc-arecs.org >>>>> >>>>> NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM >on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 >>>>> >>>>> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." >- Ronald Reagan >>>>> >>>>> "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus >>>>> >>>>> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the >man.) >>>>> >>>>> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many >services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - >Ronald Reagan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n2nov at n2nov.net Fri Nov 27 13:12:40 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:12:40 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme Message-ID: PROPOSED WWCONVERS CHANNEL SCHEME There are 32767 possible channels in the WWconvers with channel 0 reserved for a local bbs to use as it's default when users log onto their system. Finding other stations by area, interest or any other special use can get a little confusing. Some countries have settled on a scheme where their users can find each other based on the second number of their assigned 44Net (AMPR) address. For example, Greece is assigned 44.154.0.0/16 and they can be found on channel 154. In the USA (because of sheer numbers of systems over the years) the second number in the address is typically an entire state with some having multiple subnets (California has 6). There has been an effort in recent years to clean up the numbers and subnets no longer in use and this resulted in the range from 44.191.0.0/16 to 44.255.0.0/16 to be sold to Amazon. To make things easier, I am proposing a somewhat logical layout to the channel usage, not only by the 44Net addresses but also by specilized uses for activities and watering holes like HF/VHF/UHF frequencies. As you can see, there will be plenty of space for adhoc arrangements. Discussions are welcomed and encouraged as how to use this space for the benefit of many different groups and interests. DEFAULT Channel 0 ? default local use and not propagated across the WWconvers system. REGIONAL Channel 1 through 190 ? based on second number in the 44Net/AMPR addresses MATCHING TO RF FREQUENCY USED (ie: net on 7240 kHz would use channel 7240) 1800-1999 160m Channels 3500-3999 80m Channels 7000-7299 40m Channels 10100-10149 30m Channels 14000-14349 20m Channels 18068-18167 17m Channels 21000-21449 20m Channels 24890-24989 12m Channels 28000-29699 10m Channels 5000-5399 6m Channels 14400-14799 2m Channels 22200-22499 1.25m Channels 4200-4499 70cm Channels 9020-9279 33cm Channels 12400-12999 23cm Channels CURRENT SPECIALTY USERS 625 ? UHF Amateur TV Channel in UK 10177 ? OK2KOJ Club Channel in Czech Republic 14736 ? WC2OEM Channel for NYC Amateur Radio Emergency Communications Service SET AS LOCAL BBS USE (ie. JNOS Systems, etc) 211 ? Local NCS/ALT Channel for nets 411 ? Local WX Event Channel (Skywarn nets) 911 ? Local Emergency Net Activation Channel -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From n2nov at n2nov.net Sat Nov 28 09:12:04 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 09:12:04 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Presentation on DireWolf Software TNC Message-ID: <2d917107-24da-362c-73f0-40be67b45012@n2nov.net> http://wb1gof.org/resources/Presentations/direwolf-presentation-PART-rev-4a.pdf -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From joe at cupano.com Sat Nov 28 11:51:24 2020 From: joe at cupano.com (Joe Cupano) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 11:51:24 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): > On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: > > Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF > connection may not?be possible?? > > > I do understand?that.? I'm just worried about the idea of being so > dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > > I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the > other hand, you do have to admit that: > > a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and > > b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons > of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP > tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing > and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was > intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to > (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear > attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only > Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching > equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts > and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the > eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the > local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the > WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and > Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their > families that way that day... > > Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in > our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in > conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for > all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work > for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large > healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local > infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more > resilient network in that regard. > > And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between > the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think > we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by > definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some > projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is > in our DNA so to speak... > > Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... > > That's just my opinion... > > 73, > > AJM, KB2AJM > > On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: > > Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF > connection may not?be possible?? > > > I do understand?that.? I'm just worried about the idea of being so > dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM > (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us > > wrote: > > Hello Mitch KE7WWT. > > Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that > your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own > interests in being able to "INTER-network" and > converge these vital (and fun) communications > technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, > RF, terrestrial, etc. > > You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties > in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have > some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag > about.) I and a few dispersed others also have > ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either > put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a > few projects of communal interest are making some > progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES > repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) > others such as myself have been doing similar to you - > trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow > pockets and an even smaller lot of property. > > I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and > similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly > larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES > and personal use. The entire idea of being able to > congregate info from a multitude of sources and > potentially do so two-way over range without the > requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what > interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, > including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) > > So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on > HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as > time and finances allow is to expand this into the > exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up > you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as > portable. > > I would definitely be interested in chatting as to > where you are and where you see your next steps to be > going, and if I can offer any assistance from my > background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER > GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. > > With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data > and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade > internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well > as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security > equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I > do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead > protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to > (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or > fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - > or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over > internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some > of the ideas I've been toying around with... > > Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, > and TTYS. > > 73 again, > > Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM > > > > > Get BlueMail for Android > > On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - > KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com > > wrote: > > KE7WWT > Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. > > I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. > > I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. > > Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. > > In the end. . I need a lot of help. > > Mitch > > > -----Original Message----- > From: HamGateNY > On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 > To: hamgateny at n2nov.net > Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > So far we have seen introductions from: > KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > > How about the rest of this 92 person group? > What is your set-up or what will it be? > What software, hardware, services, etc? > Let us all help each other to get things going. > > On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > > > > > Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list > into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 > members (some who were on both lists). This > would be a great opportunity to introduce > yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area > of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of > packet system you are running, etc. Let's use > this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - > Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for > ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - > Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( > http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS > system since 1998 starting on DOS and now > Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org > coordinator - IT field since > 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web > hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in > twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - > Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > > > -- > Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV > NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > > NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL > ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM > NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM > http://www.nyc-arecs.org > > NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > > "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan > > "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > > "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) > > "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe at cupano.com Sat Nov 28 12:31:55 2020 From: joe at cupano.com (Joe Cupano) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:31:55 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> I am lost as to the origins of WWconvers and "channelizing." Is there a link? The subject of "channels" has come up as applied to digital modes as a while, voice and data, for UHF. Each has its own bandwidth requirements and utilization. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Charles J. Hargrove: > PROPOSED WWCONVERS CHANNEL SCHEME > > There are 32767 possible channels in the WWconvers with channel 0 > reserved > for a local bbs to use as it's default when users log onto their system. > Finding other stations by area, interest or any other special use can > get a > little confusing.? Some countries have settled on a scheme where their > users > can find each other based on the second number of their assigned 44Net > (AMPR) > address.? For example, Greece is assigned 44.154.0.0/16 and they can > be found > on channel 154. > > In the USA (because of sheer numbers of systems over the years) the > second > number in the address is typically an entire state with some having > multiple > subnets (California has 6).? There has been an effort in recent years > to clean > up the numbers and subnets no longer in use and this resulted in the > range > from 44.191.0.0/16 to 44.255.0.0/16 to be sold to Amazon. > > To make things easier, I am proposing a somewhat logical layout to the > channel usage, not only by the 44Net addresses but also by specilized > uses for activities and watering holes like HF/VHF/UHF frequencies. > As you can see, there will be plenty of space for adhoc arrangements. > Discussions are welcomed and encouraged as how to use this space for the > benefit of many different groups and interests. > > DEFAULT > Channel 0 ? default local use and not propagated across the WWconvers > system. > > REGIONAL > Channel 1 through 190 ? based on second number in the 44Net/AMPR > addresses > > MATCHING TO RF FREQUENCY USED > (ie: net on 7240 kHz would use channel 7240) > 1800-1999??? 160m Channels > 3500-3999???? 80m Channels > 7000-7299???? 40m Channels > 10100-10149?? 30m Channels > 14000-14349?? 20m Channels > 18068-18167?? 17m Channels > 21000-21449?? 20m Channels > 24890-24989?? 12m Channels > 28000-29699?? 10m Channels > 5000-5399????? 6m Channels > 14400-14799??? 2m Channels > 22200-22499 1.25m Channels > 4200-4499??? 70cm Channels > 9020-9279??? 33cm Channels > 12400-12999? 23cm Channels > > CURRENT SPECIALTY USERS > 625 ? UHF Amateur TV Channel in UK > 10177 ? OK2KOJ Club Channel in Czech Republic > 14736 ? WC2OEM Channel for NYC Amateur Radio Emergency Communications > Service > > SET AS LOCAL BBS USE (ie. JNOS Systems, etc) > 211 ? Local NCS/ALT Channel for nets > 411 ? Local WX Event Channel (Skywarn nets) > 911 ? Local Emergency Net Activation Channel > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n2nov at n2nov.net Sat Nov 28 13:10:57 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 13:10:57 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme In-Reply-To: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> References: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> Message-ID: Think of them as the same as IRC (Internet Relay Chat) or the old AOL Instant Messenger (AIM). Rather than based on names, WWconvers is based on numbers and is limited to 32768 although the source code might be written to include more. With 0 reserved for a local default and not to be relayed to others in the network, we get 32767 remaining. Here is a 1996 FAQ on TNOS and mentions WWconvers https://www.qsl.net/gb7dip/tnos/faq-96.html On 11/28/2020 12:31 PM, Joe Cupano wrote: > > I am lost as to the origins of WWconvers and "channelizing." > Is there a link? > > The subject of "channels" has come up as applied to digital modes as a > while, voice and data, for UHF. Each has its own bandwidth requirements > and utilization. > > 73, > > - Joe, NE2Z > > > Charles J. Hargrove: >> PROPOSED WWCONVERS CHANNEL SCHEME >> >> There are 32767 possible channels in the WWconvers with channel 0 >> reserved >> for a local bbs to use as it's default when users log onto their system. >> Finding other stations by area, interest or any other special use can >> get a >> little confusing.? Some countries have settled on a scheme where their >> users >> can find each other based on the second number of their assigned 44Net >> (AMPR) >> address.? For example, Greece is assigned 44.154.0.0/16 and they can >> be found >> on channel 154. >> >> In the USA (because of sheer numbers of systems over the years) the >> second >> number in the address is typically an entire state with some having >> multiple >> subnets (California has 6).? There has been an effort in recent years >> to clean >> up the numbers and subnets no longer in use and this resulted in the >> range >> from 44.191.0.0/16 to 44.255.0.0/16 to be sold to Amazon. >> >> To make things easier, I am proposing a somewhat logical layout to the >> channel usage, not only by the 44Net addresses but also by specilized >> uses for activities and watering holes like HF/VHF/UHF frequencies. >> As you can see, there will be plenty of space for adhoc arrangements. >> Discussions are welcomed and encouraged as how to use this space for the >> benefit of many different groups and interests. >> >> DEFAULT >> Channel 0 ? default local use and not propagated across the WWconvers >> system. >> >> REGIONAL >> Channel 1 through 190 ? based on second number in the 44Net/AMPR >> addresses >> >> MATCHING TO RF FREQUENCY USED >> (ie: net on 7240 kHz would use channel 7240) >> 1800-1999??? 160m Channels >> 3500-3999???? 80m Channels >> 7000-7299???? 40m Channels >> 10100-10149?? 30m Channels >> 14000-14349?? 20m Channels >> 18068-18167?? 17m Channels >> 21000-21449?? 20m Channels >> 24890-24989?? 12m Channels >> 28000-29699?? 10m Channels >> 5000-5399????? 6m Channels >> 14400-14799??? 2m Channels >> 22200-22499 1.25m Channels >> 4200-4499??? 70cm Channels >> 9020-9279??? 33cm Channels >> 12400-12999? 23cm Channels >> >> CURRENT SPECIALTY USERS >> 625 ? UHF Amateur TV Channel in UK >> 10177 ? OK2KOJ Club Channel in Czech Republic >> 14736 ? WC2OEM Channel for NYC Amateur Radio Emergency Communications >> Service >> >> SET AS LOCAL BBS USE (ie. JNOS Systems, etc) >> 211 ? Local NCS/ALT Channel for nets >> 411 ? Local WX Event Channel (Skywarn nets) >> 911 ? Local Emergency Net Activation Channel >> > -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From joe at cupano.com Sat Nov 28 13:41:10 2020 From: joe at cupano.com (Joe Cupano) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 13:41:10 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme In-Reply-To: References: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> Message-ID: <8dee9437-4fab-9761-c19a-96426688a904@cupano.com> I saw a mention of WW convers in the link but no explanation. What is the problem you are trying to solve with WWconvers? Thanks for taking the time to explain - Joe, NE2Z Charles J. Hargrove: > Think of them as the same as IRC (Internet Relay Chat) or the old AOL > Instant Messenger (AIM).? Rather than based on names, WWconvers is based > on numbers and is limited to 32768 although the source code might be > written to include more.? With 0 reserved for a local default and not to > be relayed to others in the network, we get 32767 remaining.? Here is > a 1996 > FAQ on TNOS and mentions WWconvers > https://www.qsl.net/gb7dip/tnos/faq-96.html > > On 11/28/2020 12:31 PM, Joe Cupano wrote: >> >> I am lost as to the origins of WWconvers and "channelizing." >> Is there a link? >> >> The subject of "channels" has come up as applied to digital modes as a >> while, voice and data, for UHF. Each has its own bandwidth requirements >> and utilization. >> >> 73, >> >> - Joe, NE2Z >> >> >> Charles J. Hargrove: >>> PROPOSED WWCONVERS CHANNEL SCHEME >>> >>> There are 32767 possible channels in the WWconvers with channel 0 >>> reserved >>> for a local bbs to use as it's default when users log onto their >>> system. >>> Finding other stations by area, interest or any other special use >>> can get a >>> little confusing.? Some countries have settled on a scheme where >>> their users >>> can find each other based on the second number of their assigned >>> 44Net (AMPR) >>> address.? For example, Greece is assigned 44.154.0.0/16 and they can >>> be found >>> on channel 154. >>> >>> In the USA (because of sheer numbers of systems over the years) the >>> second >>> number in the address is typically an entire state with some having >>> multiple >>> subnets (California has 6).? There has been an effort in recent >>> years to clean >>> up the numbers and subnets no longer in use and this resulted in the >>> range >>> from 44.191.0.0/16 to 44.255.0.0/16 to be sold to Amazon. >>> >>> To make things easier, I am proposing a somewhat logical layout to the >>> channel usage, not only by the 44Net addresses but also by specilized >>> uses for activities and watering holes like HF/VHF/UHF frequencies. >>> As you can see, there will be plenty of space for adhoc arrangements. >>> Discussions are welcomed and encouraged as how to use this space for >>> the >>> benefit of many different groups and interests. >>> >>> DEFAULT >>> Channel 0 ? default local use and not propagated across the >>> WWconvers system. >>> >>> REGIONAL >>> Channel 1 through 190 ? based on second number in the 44Net/AMPR >>> addresses >>> >>> MATCHING TO RF FREQUENCY USED >>> (ie: net on 7240 kHz would use channel 7240) >>> 1800-1999??? 160m Channels >>> 3500-3999???? 80m Channels >>> 7000-7299???? 40m Channels >>> 10100-10149?? 30m Channels >>> 14000-14349?? 20m Channels >>> 18068-18167?? 17m Channels >>> 21000-21449?? 20m Channels >>> 24890-24989?? 12m Channels >>> 28000-29699?? 10m Channels >>> 5000-5399????? 6m Channels >>> 14400-14799??? 2m Channels >>> 22200-22499 1.25m Channels >>> 4200-4499??? 70cm Channels >>> 9020-9279??? 33cm Channels >>> 12400-12999? 23cm Channels >>> >>> CURRENT SPECIALTY USERS >>> 625 ? UHF Amateur TV Channel in UK >>> 10177 ? OK2KOJ Club Channel in Czech Republic >>> 14736 ? WC2OEM Channel for NYC Amateur Radio Emergency >>> Communications Service >>> >>> SET AS LOCAL BBS USE (ie. JNOS Systems, etc) >>> 211 ? Local NCS/ALT Channel for nets >>> 411 ? Local WX Event Channel (Skywarn nets) >>> 911 ? Local Emergency Net Activation Channel >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n9lya at kutche.net Sat Nov 28 14:08:42 2020 From: n9lya at kutche.net (n9lya at kutche.net) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:08:42 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Intro Message-ID: <000001d6c5b9$e3ed4e10$abc7ea30$@kutche.net> Good day all, Name here is Jerry Kutche N9LYA Location Mitchell IN EM68sr I am running Uronode/JNOS/FBB at the moment anyway.. Unsure how long my connectivity will remain. NET44 wise right now and for the moment, everything is routed thru 44.88.0.9... Also Run a LinBPQ Box. I have moved all RF to LinBPQ Except a 2 meter port on Uronode. 140.050 FM 1200 Baud.. Have not decided if I will move it to LinBPQ as well and run VARA FM? Anyone interested in an HF link via Packet, Robust Packet, Pactor I II III, Winmor, Ardop, or VARA HF... Let me know I will post the frequencies I scan. Uronode Jnos: N9LYA-5 INNOS (BBS) N9LYA-11 FBB: BBSLYA:N9LYA-4 LinBPQ BBS: N9LYA CHAT: K9BBS-14:INCHAT RMS: K9BBS:INRMS NODE: N9LYA-8:IN105 LinBPQ ports modes etc. Ports Port Driver ID Description 1 ASYNC APRS 144.390 Icom2200H 2 BPQAXIP AX/IP/UDP (Internet Linking) 3 SCSPACTOR Pactor/RPR P4D 746Pro 4 ASYNC OpenNET 432.250 9.6k TEKK 5 SCSTRACKER Skipnet RPR/HF 706MKIIG 6 TELNET Telnet Server Driver Window 7 WINMOR Skipnet WINMOR 706MKIIG 7.101U 8 WINMOR Skipnet WINMOR 746Pro 14.111U 9 SCSTRACKER HF_Skipnet NET105 10 TRKMULTI OpenNET 145.050 1.2k 11 SCSTRACKER Tracker 10.14820 USB 12 ARDOP HF_Skipnet ARDOP1 746PRO 13 ARDOP HF_Skipnet ARDOP1 706MKIIG 14 VARA VARA 706 15 VARA VARA 746 16 INTERNAL Loopback 73 All Jerry N9LYA HF Skipnet Coordinator IP Coordinator Indiana Net44 www.n9lya.com www.w9otr.com www.mitchellwx.com www.mitchellbpq.com www.indianapacketcouncil.com www.hfskipnet.net From n2nov at n2nov.net Sat Nov 28 14:13:00 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:13:00 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme In-Reply-To: <8dee9437-4fab-9761-c19a-96426688a904@cupano.com> References: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> <8dee9437-4fab-9761-c19a-96426688a904@cupano.com> Message-ID: <4c5a1e31-9cd3-20b8-d669-c27616dc8c3b@n2nov.net> Not a problem, but to encourage usage and in a logical fashion. As someone from Europe pointed out, there are only a handful of people on the system at one time. We use it here in NYC every Monday during our weekly nets. By having participating systems linked to regional hubs like Hub_NA or Hub_EU, the same channel can be accessed in various areas for greater participation. The statewide users on a particular channel like 68 for NY, can be a meeting place for the state. Special interests like ATV in the UK meet on channel 625 (named for the 625 scan lines of the PAL TV standard). WWconvers has been around for over two decades and the newer/younger hams most likely have never heard of it. It is just exposure, explanation on how it works and encouragement to use it. On 11/28/2020 1:41 PM, Joe Cupano wrote: > > I saw a mention of WW convers in the link but no explanation. > What is the problem you are trying to solve with WWconvers? > > Thanks for taking the time to explain > > - Joe, NE2Z > > > > > Charles J. Hargrove: >> Think of them as the same as IRC (Internet Relay Chat) or the old AOL >> Instant Messenger (AIM).? Rather than based on names, WWconvers is based >> on numbers and is limited to 32768 although the source code might be >> written to include more.? With 0 reserved for a local default and not to >> be relayed to others in the network, we get 32767 remaining.? Here is >> a 1996 >> FAQ on TNOS and mentions WWconvers >> https://www.qsl.net/gb7dip/tnos/faq-96.html >> >> On 11/28/2020 12:31 PM, Joe Cupano wrote: >>> >>> I am lost as to the origins of WWconvers and "channelizing." >>> Is there a link? >>> >>> The subject of "channels" has come up as applied to digital modes as a >>> while, voice and data, for UHF. Each has its own bandwidth requirements >>> and utilization. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> - Joe, NE2Z >>> >>> >>> Charles J. Hargrove: >>>> PROPOSED WWCONVERS CHANNEL SCHEME >>>> >>>> There are 32767 possible channels in the WWconvers with channel 0 >>>> reserved >>>> for a local bbs to use as it's default when users log onto their >>>> system. >>>> Finding other stations by area, interest or any other special use >>>> can get a >>>> little confusing.? Some countries have settled on a scheme where >>>> their users >>>> can find each other based on the second number of their assigned >>>> 44Net (AMPR) >>>> address.? For example, Greece is assigned 44.154.0.0/16 and they can >>>> be found >>>> on channel 154. >>>> >>>> In the USA (because of sheer numbers of systems over the years) the >>>> second >>>> number in the address is typically an entire state with some having >>>> multiple >>>> subnets (California has 6).? There has been an effort in recent >>>> years to clean >>>> up the numbers and subnets no longer in use and this resulted in the >>>> range >>>> from 44.191.0.0/16 to 44.255.0.0/16 to be sold to Amazon. >>>> >>>> To make things easier, I am proposing a somewhat logical layout to the >>>> channel usage, not only by the 44Net addresses but also by specilized >>>> uses for activities and watering holes like HF/VHF/UHF frequencies. >>>> As you can see, there will be plenty of space for adhoc arrangements. >>>> Discussions are welcomed and encouraged as how to use this space for >>>> the >>>> benefit of many different groups and interests. >>>> >>>> DEFAULT >>>> Channel 0 ? default local use and not propagated across the >>>> WWconvers system. >>>> >>>> REGIONAL >>>> Channel 1 through 190 ? based on second number in the 44Net/AMPR >>>> addresses >>>> >>>> MATCHING TO RF FREQUENCY USED >>>> (ie: net on 7240 kHz would use channel 7240) >>>> 1800-1999??? 160m Channels >>>> 3500-3999???? 80m Channels >>>> 7000-7299???? 40m Channels >>>> 10100-10149?? 30m Channels >>>> 14000-14349?? 20m Channels >>>> 18068-18167?? 17m Channels >>>> 21000-21449?? 20m Channels >>>> 24890-24989?? 12m Channels >>>> 28000-29699?? 10m Channels >>>> 5000-5399????? 6m Channels >>>> 14400-14799??? 2m Channels >>>> 22200-22499 1.25m Channels >>>> 4200-4499??? 70cm Channels >>>> 9020-9279??? 33cm Channels >>>> 12400-12999? 23cm Channels >>>> >>>> CURRENT SPECIALTY USERS >>>> 625 ? UHF Amateur TV Channel in UK >>>> 10177 ? OK2KOJ Club Channel in Czech Republic >>>> 14736 ? WC2OEM Channel for NYC Amateur Radio Emergency >>>> Communications Service >>>> >>>> SET AS LOCAL BBS USE (ie. JNOS Systems, etc) >>>> 211 ? Local NCS/ALT Channel for nets >>>> 411 ? Local WX Event Channel (Skywarn nets) >>>> 911 ? Local Emergency Net Activation Channel -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From andrew at kb2ajm.us Sat Nov 28 20:18:32 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:18:32 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> Message-ID: <805ac4e4-6a2a-4168-8778-43a2dff52afc@kb2ajm.us> [A little historical rant for those who are truly bored...] On Nov 28, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Joe Cupano wrote: It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC.? Well that's my point exactly. In terms of my own (non-EMS, as I was an EMT at the time as well) memory of that day, I mean there are layers upon layers of generations of infrastructure in NYC going back to the 1800s including undersea COPPER cables from that era to Europe that are still functional to this day (we used to have a map of all the cable and satellite routes at the time.) At the time I was working in midtown for a small CLEC international wholesale Telecom company (a provider's provider) and I remember that was also the beginning of the era where: A) the utility companies starting to use crawler robots to pull new fiber through the sewers, as they had no more conduits or other places to route new cables, and; B) the beginning of starting to use all the "dark fiber" that the utility companies had but barely used for themselves (power companies like ConEd started trying to get into the voice Telecom business...) But even so, without all of that, the internet managed to reroute and self-heal enough to go around the damage and keep the internet going where it could, whereas a SONET ring only has two possible routes, only knew the next hop, and was usually in a smaller (block/building) scale than internet connectivity (city scale.) But you knock out an OC192, and that's that. Compare that to the still mostly "circuit switched" framework of the telephone companies at the time... (I don't recall enough about the ATM + Frame Relay or SS7 protocol stacks to say anything about their rerouting and self-healing capabilities, but with all the proprietary routing of the phone companies at the time, they didn't communicate as effectively with their competitors, so their switching equipment didn't always know how or were even unable to reroute on a grander scale...) I used to work at 40 John Street and got off the A train at WTC every morning - and how much they almost hit. I had just moved to a new job in midtown less than a month before. My cousin and her husband and infant son lived in Battery Park. And I used to go in and out of those already highly secure Telco towers in nonsuspect looking buildings... To this day I don't know if it was part of the plan or if AlQaeda was just really lucky in terms of how much communications infrastructure that they took out that day. But I remember that map in our office showing almost every undersea cable coming from Europe, the Med and north Africa all coming I to one central point at the tip of Manhattan, and with a few offshoots down to Newark/Hoboken NJ... That day (and the following weeks) convinced me of the internet's capability. TCP/IP has a lot of overhead in terms of packet size with regards to RF, I know. But I (personally) have not yet seen anything networking-wise to compare to it's resiliency and massive scalability. (I was also already an early Vonage customer at the time, and while we couldn't call certain places regionally from our landline phone in northern NJ, my BlackBerry and my Vonage phones never went out...) I think that's why it won the protocol wars versus all the less scalable LAN protocols from Novell, MS + Apple. It's just what it was designed for... I am not that old per se (at least not as old as that guy in the mirror every day...) Some in the industry would consider me a "youngin,'" and even comparatively inexperienced, which is true. But that was a learning experience for a lot of people, and regardless of politics, I think that our country (and most of the world in general) have matured their internet capabilities orders of magnitude based in the lessons of the past. Concepts like FirstNet, GETS/WPS, and other things are great strides forward. But that's not to say I trust anything enough to put all my eggs in one basket. I live in a rural area (but "in" town and we rent - so my antenna space is limited at the moment,) and I've never liked putting all my eggs in one basket for anything... Similar to military use, I've read some new civilian stuff about the reemergence of HF, and combined with things like ALE and some of these Ham protocols that I don't know enough about yet in detail, I know we have the capability to bridge the gap not if but WHEN that massive internet infrastructure chokes one day (like SQL Slammer did back when) from a solar are, EMP, Gamma burst from a star - whatever... For those like me who view this as a hobby (not necessarily mutually exclusive of the latter,) we've got a lot of new "toys" (not just hardware, but protocols, etc.) to play with nowadays, and I'm sure we'll discover a lot we can do that the internet cannot... For those like me who also view this from a [disaster and OEM/ARES/RACES/MARS] service-based perspective, or those afraid that we need to prove our utility now ahead of time to ensure we have a seat at the table when the need comes, I am reminded daily of every short-term thinking bureaucrat, boss and administrator that I've ever worked for in ANY field who refused to plan for the long term, only to have our predictions come true. So even if they don't listen or think they've got better things than "just Hams" right now, I'm sure most of you already know from experience - irregardless of whether we have a seat at the table now, they'll be knocking on our doors (probably because the phones and internet don't work) when the time comes... I agree with both perspectives: Optimally, in a perfect world, I think it'd be great if we had a totally RF network capability that didn't rely at all on the internet for any linkages (although somehow some DNS queries do still need to be answered externally.) However; ...the realist in me knows that at this moment, especially in some parts of the state, we don't completely have that capability (or even at all -? for example me in the interim.) But in terms of an inter-net-worked infrastructure (RF + Inet,) at least I can contribute something to the system, and whether it's primary or redundancy, hopefully it will fill a gap that would otherwise be empty for the time being... So there's my "once upon a time, old f at r+" story. It's just MY opinion and perspective - I don't expect anyone to agree with it in it's entirety. I'm no master or sage. But for whomever is still awake after reading it, it is why I am the way I am... [...end rant.../] 73 AJM, KB2AJM ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 28, 2020, 11:51 AM, at 11:51 AM, Joe Cupano wrote: > >Well said, AJM > >It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of >NYC. >I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials >on >our IT infra >that were displaced by the events in a few days. > >73, > >- Joe, NE2Z > > >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): >> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > >> wrote: >> >> Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF >> connection may not?be possible?? >> >> >> I do understand?that.? I'm just worried about the idea of being so >> dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. >> >> >> >> I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the >> other hand, you do have to admit that: >> >> a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, >and >> >> b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the >lessons >> of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP >> tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing >> and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was >> intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to >> (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear >> attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only >> Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching >> equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts >> and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the >> eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the >> local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of >the >> WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and >> Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their >> families that way that day... >> >> Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in >> our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in >> conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for >> all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work >> for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large >> healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local >> infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more >> resilient network in that regard. >> >> And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between >> the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think >> we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by >> definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some >> projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is >> in our DNA so to speak... >> >> Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no >choice... >> >> That's just my opinion... >> >> 73, >> >> AJM, KB2AJM >> >> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > > wrote: >> >> Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF >> connection may not?be possible?? >> >> >> I do understand?that.? I'm just worried about the idea of being >so >> dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM >> (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us >> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Mitch KE7WWT. >> >> Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that >> your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own >> interests in being able to "INTER-network" and >> converge these vital (and fun) communications >> technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, >> RF, terrestrial, etc. >> >> You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties >> in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have >> some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag >> about.) I and a few dispersed others also have >> ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either >> put off by or simply not interested in. And so while >a >> few projects of communal interest are making some >> progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES >> repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) >> others such as myself have been doing similar to you >- >> trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow >> pockets and an even smaller lot of property. >> >> I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and >> similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly >> larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES >> and personal use. The entire idea of being able to >> congregate info from a multitude of sources and >> potentially do so two-way over range without the >> requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly >what >> interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, >> including working in NYC before, during and after >9/11.) >> >> So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on >> HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as >> time and finances allow is to expand this into the >> exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of >set-up >> you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as >> portable. >> >> I would definitely be interested in chatting as to >> where you are and where you see your next steps to be >> going, and if I can offer any assistance from my >> background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER >> GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. >> >> With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data >> and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade >> internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as >well >> as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security >> equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than >I >> do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead >> protocol, if any projects of interest have the need >to >> (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or >> fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet >- >> or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over >> internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some >> of the ideas I've been toying around with... >> >> Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's >acquaintance, >> and TTYS. >> >> 73 again, >> >> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM >> >> >> >> >> Get BlueMail for Android >> >> On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - >> KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com >> > wrote: >> >> KE7WWT >> Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located >just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - >26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. >> >> I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the >both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF >RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. >> >> I start this project almost a year ago and thanks >to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have >things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in >one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node >that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of >base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the >ability to link and interface Packet. >> >> Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint >Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as >such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. >As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In >the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of >hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of >communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into >various networks to not only pull information, but also to share >information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that >is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. >> >> In the end. . I need a lot of help. >> >> Mitch >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: HamGateNY > On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove >> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >> To: hamgateny at n2nov.net > >> Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY >> >> So far we have seen introductions from: >> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. >> >> How about the rest of this 92 person group? >> What is your set-up or what will it be? >> What software, hardware, services, etc? >> Let us all help each other to get things going. >> >> On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list >> into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 >> members (some who were on both lists). This >> would be a great opportunity to introduce >> yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area >> of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of >> packet system you are running, etc. Let's use >> this list as a request-for-help and sharing >of >> knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - >> Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for >> ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - >> Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( >> http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS >> system since 1998 starting on DOS and now >> Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org >> coordinator - IT field >since >> 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web >> hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in >> twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - >> Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian >Party >> >> >> -- >> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn >Coord. >> >> NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >> ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >> NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >> http://www.nyc-arecs.org >> >> NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net >Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; >MFSK-16 or 32 >> >> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It >seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the >electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan >> >> "The more corrupt the state, the more it >legislates." - Tacitus >> >> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The >work praises the man.) >> >> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, >and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of >volunteers." - Ronald Reagan >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Sat Nov 28 20:58:39 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 20:58:39 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme In-Reply-To: <4c5a1e31-9cd3-20b8-d669-c27616dc8c3b@n2nov.net> References: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> <8dee9437-4fab-9761-c19a-96426688a904@cupano.com> <4c5a1e31-9cd3-20b8-d669-c27616dc8c3b@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <1ec5a67f-7c3b-4360-bf35-3ebabc44e4d2@kb2ajm.us> Hi Charles, Although I've read your past few emails in the thread, I, like Joe, am new to the WW convers concept and have a question. Forgive me... So I understand the purpose - logical allocation, assignment, maximal utilization of space/bandwidth, etc. But in reality/technical functionality, is this "channelizing" a schema that works as you said like AIM or IRC in the sense that it is literally a form of packetized, tagged or multiplexing sort of thing, or is it an RF/split spectrum sort of concept? In other words, as we discuss both RF and non-RF mediums here, is this something that would just multiplex (channelize) data over a single RF frequency (sort of like DMR or simar) or would it require a spread spectrum of multiple subfrequencies? I assume the former as you say this is over two decades old and already in practice and I doubt the practicality of finding 32768 different frequencies. :) I am just trying to "picture" it as conversations or channel data jump between one medium (internet/TCP/IP traffic) to another (RF) and back across the network... Sort of like Brandmeister or a channelized EchoLink, but the AMPRnet version? Regards, AJM ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 28, 2020, 2:13 PM, at 2:13 PM, "Charles J. Hargrove" wrote: >Not a problem, but to encourage usage and in a logical fashion. >As someone from Europe pointed out, there are only a handful of >people on the system at one time. We use it here in NYC every >Monday during our weekly nets. By having participating systems >linked to regional hubs like Hub_NA or Hub_EU, the same channel >can be accessed in various areas for greater participation. The >statewide users on a particular channel like 68 for NY, can be a >meeting place for the state. Special interests like ATV in the >UK meet on channel 625 (named for the 625 scan lines of the PAL >TV standard). WWconvers has been around for over two decades and >the newer/younger hams most likely have never heard of it. It is >just exposure, explanation on how it works and encouragement to >use it. > >On 11/28/2020 1:41 PM, Joe Cupano wrote: >> >> I saw a mention of WW convers in the link but no explanation. >> What is the problem you are trying to solve with WWconvers? >> >> Thanks for taking the time to explain >> >> - Joe, NE2Z >> >> >> >> >> Charles J. Hargrove: >>> Think of them as the same as IRC (Internet Relay Chat) or the old >AOL >>> Instant Messenger (AIM).? Rather than based on names, WWconvers is >based >>> on numbers and is limited to 32768 although the source code might be >>> written to include more.? With 0 reserved for a local default and >not to >>> be relayed to others in the network, we get 32767 remaining.? Here >is >>> a 1996 >>> FAQ on TNOS and mentions WWconvers >>> https://www.qsl.net/gb7dip/tnos/faq-96.html >>> >>> On 11/28/2020 12:31 PM, Joe Cupano wrote: >>>> >>>> I am lost as to the origins of WWconvers and "channelizing." >>>> Is there a link? >>>> >>>> The subject of "channels" has come up as applied to digital modes >as a >>>> while, voice and data, for UHF. Each has its own bandwidth >requirements >>>> and utilization. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> - Joe, NE2Z >>>> >>>> >>>> Charles J. Hargrove: >>>>> PROPOSED WWCONVERS CHANNEL SCHEME >>>>> >>>>> There are 32767 possible channels in the WWconvers with channel 0 >>>>> reserved >>>>> for a local bbs to use as it's default when users log onto their >>>>> system. >>>>> Finding other stations by area, interest or any other special use >>>>> can get a >>>>> little confusing.? Some countries have settled on a scheme where >>>>> their users >>>>> can find each other based on the second number of their assigned >>>>> 44Net (AMPR) >>>>> address.? For example, Greece is assigned 44.154.0.0/16 and they >can >>>>> be found >>>>> on channel 154. >>>>> >>>>> In the USA (because of sheer numbers of systems over the years) >the >>>>> second >>>>> number in the address is typically an entire state with some >having >>>>> multiple >>>>> subnets (California has 6).? There has been an effort in recent >>>>> years to clean >>>>> up the numbers and subnets no longer in use and this resulted in >the >>>>> range >>>>> from 44.191.0.0/16 to 44.255.0.0/16 to be sold to Amazon. >>>>> >>>>> To make things easier, I am proposing a somewhat logical layout to >the >>>>> channel usage, not only by the 44Net addresses but also by >specilized >>>>> uses for activities and watering holes like HF/VHF/UHF >frequencies. >>>>> As you can see, there will be plenty of space for adhoc >arrangements. >>>>> Discussions are welcomed and encouraged as how to use this space >for >>>>> the >>>>> benefit of many different groups and interests. >>>>> >>>>> DEFAULT >>>>> Channel 0 ? default local use and not propagated across the >>>>> WWconvers system. >>>>> >>>>> REGIONAL >>>>> Channel 1 through 190 ? based on second number in the 44Net/AMPR >>>>> addresses >>>>> >>>>> MATCHING TO RF FREQUENCY USED >>>>> (ie: net on 7240 kHz would use channel 7240) >>>>> 1800-1999??? 160m Channels >>>>> 3500-3999???? 80m Channels >>>>> 7000-7299???? 40m Channels >>>>> 10100-10149?? 30m Channels >>>>> 14000-14349?? 20m Channels >>>>> 18068-18167?? 17m Channels >>>>> 21000-21449?? 20m Channels >>>>> 24890-24989?? 12m Channels >>>>> 28000-29699?? 10m Channels >>>>> 5000-5399????? 6m Channels >>>>> 14400-14799??? 2m Channels >>>>> 22200-22499 1.25m Channels >>>>> 4200-4499??? 70cm Channels >>>>> 9020-9279??? 33cm Channels >>>>> 12400-12999? 23cm Channels >>>>> >>>>> CURRENT SPECIALTY USERS >>>>> 625 ? UHF Amateur TV Channel in UK >>>>> 10177 ? OK2KOJ Club Channel in Czech Republic >>>>> 14736 ? WC2OEM Channel for NYC Amateur Radio Emergency >>>>> Communications Service >>>>> >>>>> SET AS LOCAL BBS USE (ie. JNOS Systems, etc) >>>>> 211 ? Local NCS/ALT Channel for nets >>>>> 411 ? Local WX Event Channel (Skywarn nets) >>>>> 911 ? Local Emergency Net Activation Channel > > >-- >Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > >NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >http://www.nyc-arecs.org > >NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM >on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > >"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls >topped >by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald >Reagan > >"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > >"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying >(The work praises the man.) > >"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services >it >provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n2nov at n2nov.net Sat Nov 28 21:55:04 2020 From: n2nov at n2nov.net (Charles J. Hargrove) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 21:55:04 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme In-Reply-To: <1ec5a67f-7c3b-4360-bf35-3ebabc44e4d2@kb2ajm.us> References: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> <8dee9437-4fab-9761-c19a-96426688a904@cupano.com> <4c5a1e31-9cd3-20b8-d669-c27616dc8c3b@n2nov.net> <1ec5a67f-7c3b-4360-bf35-3ebabc44e4d2@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: <071e3220-202c-4904-0db3-da1325a4b8de@n2nov.net> If we look at things as internet vs RF, we cab see how it works. On the internet side, we choose what "channel" we want and that is what is sent to us. The servers like Hub_NA keep track of all the active channels and route them accordingly to who is connected to each channel. When we switch to a person using RF to get to their local packet bbs, they are just the end of the line where the request gets forwarded to the server that sends them what they want. If there was another user, on the same bbs and frequency, the channel they pick could be different and that would be sent to them while you were getting the channel that you picked. It's sort of like multiple streams of data in the old TNCs. On 11/28/2020 8:58 PM, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) wrote: > Hi Charles, > > Although I've read your past few emails in the thread, I, like Joe, am > new to the WW convers concept and have a question. Forgive me... > > So I understand the purpose - logical allocation, assignment, maximal > utilization of space/bandwidth, etc. But in reality/technical > functionality, is this "channelizing" a schema that works as you said > like AIM or IRC in the sense that it is literally a form of packetized, > tagged or multiplexing sort of thing, or is it an RF/split spectrum sort > of concept? > > In other words, as we discuss both RF and non-RF mediums here, is this > something that would just multiplex (channelize) data over a single RF > frequency (sort of like DMR or simar) or would it require a spread > spectrum of multiple subfrequencies? > > I assume the former as you say this is over two decades old and already > in practice and I doubt the practicality of finding 32768 different > frequencies. :) I am just trying to "picture" it as conversations or > channel data jump between one medium (internet/TCP/IP traffic) to > another (RF) and back across the network... > > Sort of like Brandmeister or a channelized EchoLink, but the AMPRnet > version? > > Regards, > > AJM -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From bwebster at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 30 10:13:24 2020 From: bwebster at stny.rr.com (Brian Webster) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:13:24 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> Message-ID: <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerome.kutche at lehighhanson.com Mon Nov 30 10:22:59 2020 From: jerome.kutche at lehighhanson.com (Kutche, Jerome M (Mitchell) USA) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:22:59 +0000 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Brian I agree.. Case in point just a week ago we had a weekend power outage that took our power and internet out.. With the use of a Generator I was able to maintain RF Connectivity from 80M thru 220MHz. Just yesterday a different part of town was without power for 6 hours.. I had no Internet part of the feed to our house passes thru that neighborhood. I still had power and RF?. I always thought of the internet as a nicety that is basically out of our direct control. I Always urge RF Were is as is? The internet makes a nice add-on.. Does kind of makes me think.. It would be nice if one could link to another net44 via RF albeit slower. Like from my house to my kids house in Huron. Where they may still have both power and internet. I may look into that. 73 Jerry N9LYA From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 10:13 AM To: '44Net Sysops in NY State' Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY > On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. 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URL: From bwebster at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 30 10:01:51 2020 From: bwebster at stny.rr.com (Brian Webster) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:01:51 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme In-Reply-To: <071e3220-202c-4904-0db3-da1325a4b8de@n2nov.net> References: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> <8dee9437-4fab-9761-c19a-96426688a904@cupano.com> <4c5a1e31-9cd3-20b8-d669-c27616dc8c3b@n2nov.net> <1ec5a67f-7c3b-4360-bf35-3ebabc44e4d2@kb2ajm.us> <071e3220-202c-4904-0db3-da1325a4b8de@n2nov.net> Message-ID: <266e01d6c729$bc902c40$35b084c0$@stny.rr.com> Let me see if I can throw out a slightly different explanation: This is a CHAT system that ride on the same connection we use for 44 Net IP, it also runs on the packet networks in place. Think if it more like group chats on a smart phone. The term channels is really just different group chats not much unlike you having a group chat going on your phone of Facebook messenger. It all runs on the same network, just splits off the conversations to keep things organized. The WWConverse system lets us network them together to have the potential for large geographically dispersed people participate in these chat conversations. In the old packet days when we had large area RF only networks, you connected to a chat node (really just software) and issued a help command and looked at the command set. User commands are usually on most chat systems using a forward slash and letter for each command such as /? For help or /U to list users on the chat node. The users on the chat node system are connected on the "channel" of their choice. In reality it's just a thread to conversation. In the old AOL messenger days they were called chat rooms. This organizes things so you don't have to see the conversation from say weather group or just a rag chew session. You could be logged in to something like your local RACES training, or use it like Net Logger for a voice net as an example. Then it was just text based on a packet terminal window. Now we can also use software such as HexChat or Pidgeon to connect from the internet as well as the packet network over RF. This enables all types of devices such as smart phones and tablets in addition to computers. The thing Charles is suggesting is more of a way to know which "chat room" you would like to join once you connect to the converse system. Since it is just numbers and not a verbose scheme it makes sense to come up with something logical. To date the whole system has kind of been forgotten about. Since it can be internet enabled along with the packet networks, there is no real reason not to start to put it to better use. Those who are building high speed networks such as AREDN can participate, good old fashioned 1200 baud packets system can participate and those on the go using mobile internet systems can also stay in the conversation with their smart phones too. It becomes a good cross platform technology solution that gives us multiple ways to connect. Learning how to connect using multiple various ways also helps train as an emergency communicator and allows us to establish more than one way to stay connected for information exchanges. When you realize that so many different ways exist to connect, I am surer you can think of the ways you and your local groups or your geographically disperse groups can make use of the technology Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 9:55 PM To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme If we look at things as internet vs RF, we cab see how it works. On the internet side, we choose what "channel" we want and that is what is sent to us. The servers like Hub_NA keep track of all the active channels and route them accordingly to who is connected to each channel. When we switch to a person using RF to get to their local packet bbs, they are just the end of the line where the request gets forwarded to the server that sends them what they want. If there was another user, on the same bbs and frequency, the channel they pick could be different and that would be sent to them while you were getting the channel that you picked. It's sort of like multiple streams of data in the old TNCs. On 11/28/2020 8:58 PM, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) wrote: > Hi Charles, > > Although I've read your past few emails in the thread, I, like Joe, am > new to the WW convers concept and have a question. Forgive me... > > So I understand the purpose - logical allocation, assignment, maximal > utilization of space/bandwidth, etc. But in reality/technical > functionality, is this "channelizing" a schema that works as you said > like AIM or IRC in the sense that it is literally a form of packetized, > tagged or multiplexing sort of thing, or is it an RF/split spectrum sort > of concept? > > In other words, as we discuss both RF and non-RF mediums here, is this > something that would just multiplex (channelize) data over a single RF > frequency (sort of like DMR or simar) or would it require a spread > spectrum of multiple subfrequencies? > > I assume the former as you say this is over two decades old and already > in practice and I doubt the practicality of finding 32768 different > frequencies. :) I am just trying to "picture" it as conversations or > channel data jump between one medium (internet/TCP/IP traffic) to > another (RF) and back across the network... > > Sort of like Brandmeister or a channelized EchoLink, but the AMPRnet > version? > > Regards, > > AJM -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan From andrew at kb2ajm.us Mon Nov 30 12:37:15 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 12:37:15 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <051fe4b8-2356-4711-82ef-70d10b5f4dcc@kb2ajm.us> Hey Brian, I have a (non-Ham) friend who grew up near Cooperstown (Fly Creek) whoae parents are still there and my wife went to SUNY Oneonta. So I used to spend quite a bit of time in that area, and I am approximately due South if you where I am now in Sullivan County (although it's a treacherous Catskill terrain in terms of connectivity.) I agree 100% with regards to hybrid. I believe in redundancy and I think that's the entire concept here. And like you said, just getting people discussing it I think helps to reawaken things. This isn't something for this exact moment, but I am going to through this out there just for future planning and reference. Where I live currently is difficult for RF both because of extreme terrain and because we rent a house on a small plot of land "in town." So I am extremely limited with regard to antenna space, and even though I have about 10 out there (no joke,) my HF capabilities are severely hampered due to the angle of my current inverted V's (almost an NVIS configuration, although I actually hit Nova Scotia easier tfor some reason than I do Orange County 59 miles away...) We've been here about 7 years, but with that being said, due to landlord's plans and other factors, we are looking to move sometime within the next 4-12 months, and the goal (assuming my new job in Port Jervis remains stable) is to be literally minutes over the boarder into NEPA (Northeast PA.) I don't know if that will mean a forced reallocation of my AMPRnet IPs to a PA block or if I'll be allowed to stick with my NY setup, but either way the goal is to find a property big enough that will permit not only my kids to thrive, but for me to have much better HF capabilities and if so, then *I* would happily be that NEPA link. Nothing is definite (including the move being outside of NY State,) and I'm happy to try experimenting with RF links from my current location, but I wanted to throw that out there so that if my current location doesn't suffice, at least we know there is still a potential future capability in my case. Anyone who would like to experiment with me on HF (I think VHF is out of the question,) I'd be happy to do so. I work evenings 1pm - 11pm, but I am home all day today, this coming weekend, and most mornings before 12 noon. Email is fine (here or at my 'andrew at highland-it.com' email address) or my cell # is (201) 233-7007. We call screen unknown numbers, so if I'm not expecting your #, texting ahead of time is best, or just leave a v/m and I'll call you back. Let me know and we can arrange a time to test/play... Regards, AJM, KB2AJM P.S. is there anyone here using an ALE setup on HF? If so I have a few questions if you wouldn't mind... Thank you. -ajm ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 30, 2020, 10:13 AM, at 10:13 AM, Brian Webster wrote: >Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even >though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is >better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have >connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an >extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on >that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will >be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of >routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. > > > >Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. >Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have >working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that >we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to >the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern >NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the >downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with >a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once >those are established additional routes over RF would be the next >logical step to have some redundancy. > > > >Thank you, > >Brian Webster N2KGC > >Cooperstown, NY 13326 > > > >From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe >Cupano >Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM >To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > > >Well said, AJM > >It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of >NYC. >I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials >on our IT infra >that were displaced by the events in a few days. > >73, > >- Joe, NE2Z > > > >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): > >On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: > >Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection >may not be possible > > > >I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > > >I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other >hand, you do have to admit that: > >a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, >and > >b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons >of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP >tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing >and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was >intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to >(hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear >attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only >Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment >in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power >loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern >seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC >broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went >out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant >messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that >way that day... > >Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our >infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in >conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for >all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work >for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large >healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local >infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more >resilient network in that regard. > >And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between >the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we >have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by >definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some >projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is >in our DNA so to speak... > >Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no >choice... > >That's just my opinion... > >73, > >AJM, KB2AJM > >On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott >wrote: > >Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection >may not be possible > > > >I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < >andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > >Hello Mitch KE7WWT. > >Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely >ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to >"INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications >technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, >etc. > >You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down >here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not >ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious >ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not >interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are >making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, >some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have >been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of >shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. > >I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my >(thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case >I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to >congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so >two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure >is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, >including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) > >So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is >(mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand >this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up >you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. > >I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and >where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any >assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT >OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. > >With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, >I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public >IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment >(Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know >TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have >the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax >signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to >link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) >those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... > >Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. > >73 again, > >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM > > > > > >Get BlueMail for Android > >On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < >maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: > >KE7WWT >Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw >away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 >days and 2 hours. > >I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. >I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am >also a MARS operator. > >I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing >with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change >soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two >(ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves >Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station >radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to >link and interface Packet. > >Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are >the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very >little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have >taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does >not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot >of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I >still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only >pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a >larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is >internet-enabled. > >In the end. . I need a lot of help. > >Mitch > > >-----Original Message----- >From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. >Hargrove >Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > >So far we have seen introductions from: >KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > >How about the rest of this 92 person group? >What is your set-up or what will it be? >What software, hardware, services, etc? >Let us all help each other to get things going. > >On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > > > > > >Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > > > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a > > > great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, > > > what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system > > > you are running, etc. > > > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > > > knowledge/projects. > > > > > > I will start: > > > - N2NOV > > > - Staten Island, NYC > > > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > > > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( > > http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > > > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > > > - NY State 44Net/ > > AMPR.org coordinator > > > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > > > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice > > > ( > > http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > > > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > > > > > > > > > >-- >Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > >NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >http://www.nyc-arecs.org > >NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on >7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > >"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." >- Ronald Reagan > >"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > >"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) > >"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services >it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald >Reagan > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Mon Nov 30 12:44:34 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 12:44:34 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme In-Reply-To: <266e01d6c729$bc902c40$35b084c0$@stny.rr.com> References: <8471f13e-a927-8802-535d-8700fef329c5@cupano.com> <8dee9437-4fab-9761-c19a-96426688a904@cupano.com> <4c5a1e31-9cd3-20b8-d669-c27616dc8c3b@n2nov.net> <1ec5a67f-7c3b-4360-bf35-3ebabc44e4d2@kb2ajm.us> <071e3220-202c-4904-0db3-da1325a4b8de@n2nov.net> <266e01d6c729$bc902c40$35b084c0$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Thank you both Brian and Charles for answering my questions. I just wasn't sure whether whether the schema was applied in this sense or if it was literally on a "protocol" level (like port numbers on an IP network.) But thank you for clarifying, and yes, it is the numerous methods of communication and ways to connect to it that are fascinating, at least to me.... .thanks. YT, AJM, KB2AJM ? On Nov 30, 2020, 10:01 AM, at 10:01 AM, Brian Webster wrote: >Let me see if I can throw out a slightly different explanation: > >This is a CHAT system that ride on the same connection we use for 44 >Net IP, it also runs on the packet networks in place. > >Think if it more like group chats on a smart phone. The term channels >is really just different group chats not much unlike you having a group >chat going on your phone of Facebook messenger. It all runs on the same >network, just splits off the conversations to keep things organized. > >The WWConverse system lets us network them together to have the >potential for large geographically dispersed people participate in >these chat conversations. In the old packet days when we had large area >RF only networks, you connected to a chat node (really just software) >and issued a help command and looked at the command set. User commands >are usually on most chat systems using a forward slash and letter for >each command such as /? For help or /U to list users on the chat node. >The users on the chat node system are connected on the "channel" of >their choice. In reality it's just a thread to conversation. In the old >AOL messenger days they were called chat rooms. This organizes things >so you don't have to see the conversation from say weather group or >just a rag chew session. You could be logged in to something like your >local RACES training, or use it like Net Logger for a voice net as an >example. Then it was just text based on a packet terminal window. Now >we can also use software such as HexChat or Pidgeon to connect from the >internet as well as the packet network over RF. This enables all types >of devices such as smart phones and tablets in addition to computers. > >The thing Charles is suggesting is more of a way to know which "chat >room" you would like to join once you connect to the converse system. >Since it is just numbers and not a verbose scheme it makes sense to >come up with something logical. To date the whole system has kind of >been forgotten about. Since it can be internet enabled along with the >packet networks, there is no real reason not to start to put it to >better use. Those who are building high speed networks such as AREDN >can participate, good old fashioned 1200 baud packets system can >participate and those on the go using mobile internet systems can also >stay in the conversation with their smart phones too. It becomes a good >cross platform technology solution that gives us multiple ways to >connect. Learning how to connect using multiple various ways also helps >train as an emergency communicator and allows us to establish more than >one way to stay connected for information exchanges. > >When you realize that so many different ways exist to connect, I am >surer you can think of the ways you and your local groups or your >geographically disperse groups can make use of the technology > >Thank you, >Brian Webster N2KGC >Cooperstown, NY 13326 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of >Charles J. Hargrove >Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 9:55 PM >To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Proposed WWconvers Channel Scheme > >If we look at things as internet vs RF, we cab see how it works. >On the internet side, we choose what "channel" we want and that is >what is sent to us. The servers like Hub_NA keep track of all the >active channels and route them accordingly to who is connected to >each channel. When we switch to a person using RF to get to their >local packet bbs, they are just the end of the line where the request >gets forwarded to the server that sends them what they want. If there >was another user, on the same bbs and frequency, the channel they pick >could be different and that would be sent to them while you were >getting >the channel that you picked. It's sort of like multiple streams of >data >in the old TNCs. > >On 11/28/2020 8:58 PM, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) wrote: >> Hi Charles, >> >> Although I've read your past few emails in the thread, I, like Joe, >am >> new to the WW convers concept and have a question. Forgive me... >> >> So I understand the purpose - logical allocation, assignment, maximal > >> utilization of space/bandwidth, etc. But in reality/technical >> functionality, is this "channelizing" a schema that works as you said > >> like AIM or IRC in the sense that it is literally a form of >packetized, >> tagged or multiplexing sort of thing, or is it an RF/split spectrum >sort >> of concept? >> >> In other words, as we discuss both RF and non-RF mediums here, is >this >> something that would just multiplex (channelize) data over a single >RF >> frequency (sort of like DMR or simar) or would it require a spread >> spectrum of multiple subfrequencies? >> >> I assume the former as you say this is over two decades old and >already >> in practice and I doubt the practicality of finding 32768 different >> frequencies. :) I am just trying to "picture" it as conversations or >> channel data jump between one medium (internet/TCP/IP traffic) to >> another (RF) and back across the network... >> >> Sort of like Brandmeister or a channelized EchoLink, but the AMPRnet >> version? >> >> Regards, >> >> AJM > >-- >Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > >NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >http://www.nyc-arecs.org > >NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM >on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > >"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls >topped >by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald >Reagan > >"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > >"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying >(The work praises the man.) > >"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services >it >provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwebster at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 30 12:51:39 2020 From: bwebster at stny.rr.com (Brian Webster) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 12:51:39 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <051fe4b8-2356-4711-82ef-70d10b5f4dcc@kb2ajm.us> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <051fe4b8-2356-4711-82ef-70d10b5f4dcc@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: <271201d6c741$74b9e5b0$5e2db110$@stny.rr.com> Andrew, There may be a couple of options for you on VHF packet even with your challenging RF environment. You might be able to hear and/or connect to the Camelback PA site on 145.010. The node is just a single frequency non-backbone site but thinking about the way you describe your location you might have a path down the RT209 valley. There are a couple of sites in the Catskills that could offer some possibility of connection down your way. There is an APRS station Near Margaretville under the call of N2ZPY-1. They used that site for the Golden Packet event this year and had good success. You night get lucky and have a path to his site. If it does work we can develop that for regular connected packet easy enough. The second option is in Stamford on Mt. Utsayantha with an elevation of 3214 feet. You might be in a shadow to that site but give it a try on 145.770 under the call of N2PKB. That site is linked in to the network at this time with an easy option for one more backbone on 220 MHz to another good node site. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 12:37 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Hey Brian, I have a (non-Ham) friend who grew up near Cooperstown (Fly Creek) whoae parents are still there and my wife went to SUNY Oneonta. So I used to spend quite a bit of time in that area, and I am approximately due South if you where I am now in Sullivan County (although it's a treacherous Catskill terrain in terms of connectivity.) I agree 100% with regards to hybrid. I believe in redundancy and I think that's the entire concept here. And like you said, just getting people discussing it I think helps to reawaken things. This isn't something for this exact moment, but I am going to through this out there just for future planning and reference. Where I live currently is difficult for RF both because of extreme terrain and because we rent a house on a small plot of land "in town." So I am extremely limited with regard to antenna space, and even though I have about 10 out there (no joke,) my HF capabilities are severely hampered due to the angle of my current inverted V's (almost an NVIS configuration, although I actually hit Nova Scotia easier tfor some reason than I do Orange County 59 miles away...) We've been here about 7 years, but with that being said, due to landlord's plans and other factors, we are looking to move sometime within the next 4-12 months, and the goal (assuming my new job in Port Jervis remains stable) is to be literally minutes over the boarder into NEPA (Northeast PA.) I don't know if that will mean a forced reallocation of my AMPRnet IPs to a PA block or if I'll be allowed to stick with my NY setup, but either way the goal is to find a property big enough that will permit not only my kids to thrive, but for me to have much better HF capabilities and if so, then *I* would happily be that NEPA link. Nothing is definite (including the move being outside of NY State,) and I'm happy to try experimenting with RF links from my current location, but I wanted to throw that out there so that if my current location doesn't suffice, at least we know there is still a potential future capability in my case. Anyone who would like to experiment with me on HF (I think VHF is out of the question,) I'd be happy to do so. I work evenings 1pm - 11pm, but I am home all day today, this coming weekend, and most mornings before 12 noon. Email is fine (here or at my 'andrew at highland-it.com' email address) or my cell # is (201) 233-7007. We call screen unknown numbers, so if I'm not expecting your #, texting ahead of time is best, or just leave a v/m and I'll call you back. Let me know and we can arrange a time to test/play... Regards, AJM, KB2AJM P.S. is there anyone here using an ALE setup on HF? If so I have a few questions if you wouldn't mind... Thank you. -ajm Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. 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URL: From cpiggott at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 12:55:32 2020 From: cpiggott at gmail.com (Christopher Piggott) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 12:55:32 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: > > Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have > working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we > might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the > Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster wrote: > Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though > RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than > no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity > issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of > time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a > network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many > of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best > working path at any given time. > > > > Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. > Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have > working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we > might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the > Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and > then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and > NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to > Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established > additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some > redundancy. > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster N2KGC > > Cooperstown, NY 13326 > > > > *From:* HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] *On Behalf Of *Joe > Cupano > *Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM > *To:* 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) > *Subject:* Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > > > Well said, AJM > > It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. > I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on > our IT infra > that were displaced by the events in a few days. > > 73, > > - Joe, NE2Z > > Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): > > On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: > > Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection > may not be possible > > I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so > dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other > hand, you do have to admit that: > > a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and > > b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of > 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP > tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and > resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by > the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) > maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When > maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but > all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower > (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the > interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, > cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas > on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as > did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with > their families that way that day... > > Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our > infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in > conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all > types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for > depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare > systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) > has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that > regard. > > And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the > regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no > choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related > to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be > entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... > > Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... > > That's just my opinion... > > 73, > > AJM, KB2AJM > > On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: > > Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection > may not be possible > > > > I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so > dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < > andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > > Hello Mitch KE7WWT. > > Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely > ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to > "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications > technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. > > You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down > here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not > ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas > that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. > And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress > regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and > I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - > trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller > lot of property. > > I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus > far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built > for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info > from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range > without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what > interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in > NYC before, during and after 9/11.) > > So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is > (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand > this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you > have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. > > I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where > you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from > my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY > ELSE WHERE. > > With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I > have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, > as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, > Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a > heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for > example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to > send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over > internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've > been toying around with... > > Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. > > 73 again, > > Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM > > > > Get BlueMail for Android > > On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < > maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: > > KE7WWT > > Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. > > > > I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. > > > > I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. > > > > Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. > > > > In the end. . I need a lot of help. > > > > Mitch > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove > > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 > > To: hamgateny at n2nov.net > > Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > > So far we have seen introductions from: > > KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > > > > How about the rest of this 92 person group? > > What is your set-up or what will it be? > > What software, hardware, services, etc? > > Let us all help each other to get things going. > > > > On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > > > > > > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a > > > > > > great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, > > > > > > what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system > > > > > > you are running, etc. > > > > > > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > > > > > > knowledge/projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will start: > > > > > > - N2NOV > > > > > > - Staten Island, NYC > > > > > > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > > > > > > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( > > > > http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > > > > > > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > > > > > > - NY State 44Net/ > > > > AMPR.org coordinator > > > > > > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > > > > > > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice > > > > > > ( > > > > http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > > > > > > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV > > NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > > > > NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL > > ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM > > NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM > > http://www.nyc-arecs.org > > > > NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > > > > "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan > > > > "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > > > > "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) > > > > "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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KD2PLE)) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 13:21:39 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work.? > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path.? That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 30, 2020, 12:55 PM, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott wrote: >> >> Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have >> working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that >we >> might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to >the >> Buffalo region. > > >Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of >purpose. > >Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. > > >I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the >internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way >you >phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will >we >build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe >the >answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach >that >keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love >to >help. > > > > > >On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster >wrote: > >> Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even >though >> RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is >better than >> no connectivity should various portions of the network have >connectivity >> issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods >of >> time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a >> network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. >Many >> of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the >best >> working path at any given time. >> >> >> >> Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge >difference. >> Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have >> working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that >we >> might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to >the >> Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY >and >> then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the >downstate and >> NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from >PA to >> Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are >established >> additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some >> redundancy. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Brian Webster N2KGC >> >> Cooperstown, NY 13326 >> >> >> >> *From:* HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] *On Behalf Of >*Joe >> Cupano >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM >> *To:* 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) >> *Subject:* Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY >> >> >> >> >> Well said, AJM >> >> It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of >NYC. >> I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials >on >> our IT infra >> that were displaced by the events in a few days. >> >> 73, >> >> - Joe, NE2Z >> >> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): >> >> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > >> wrote: >> >> Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF >connection >> may not be possible >> >> I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >> dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. >> >> >> I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the >other >> hand, you do have to admit that: >> >> a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, >and >> >> b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the >lessons of >> 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP >> tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing >and >> resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended >by >> the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) >> maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When >> maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 >but >> all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of >tower >> (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of >the >> interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched >phone, >> cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations >(antennas >> on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager >worked, as >> did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated >with >> their families that way that day... >> >> Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in >our >> infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in >> conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for >all >> types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for >> depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare >> systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure >now,) >> has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in >that >> regard. >> >> And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between >the >> regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we >have no >> choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is >related >> to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended >to be >> entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... >> >> Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no >choice... >> >> That's just my opinion... >> >> 73, >> >> AJM, KB2AJM >> >> On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > >> wrote: >> >> Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF >connection >> may not be possible >> >> >> >> I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >> dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) >< >> andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: >> >> Hello Mitch KE7WWT. >> >> Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely >> ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to >> "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications >> technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, >etc. >> >> You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but >down >> here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just >not >> ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious >ideas >> that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not >interested in. >> And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some >progress >> regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS >digipeaters and >> I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - >> trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even >smaller >> lot of property. >> >> I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my >(thus >> far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've >built >> for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to >congregate info >> from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range >> without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what >> interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working >in >> NYC before, during and after 9/11.) >> >> So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is >> (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to >expand >> this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up >you >> have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. >> >> I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and >where >> you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any >assistance from >> my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO >ANYBODY >> ELSE WHERE. >> >> With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP >equipment, I >> have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public >IPs, >> as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment >(Cisco, >> Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP >is a >> heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to >(for >> example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into >TCP/IP to >> send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 >locations over >> internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas >I've >> been toying around with... >> >> Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. >> >> 73 again, >> >> Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM >> >> >> >> Get BlueMail for Android >> >> On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < >> maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: >> >> KE7WWT >> >> Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw >away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 >days and 2 hours. >> >> >> >> I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. >I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am >also a MARS operator. >> >> >> >> I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing >with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change >soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two >(ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves >Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station >radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to >link and interface Packet. >> >> >> >> Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are >the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very >little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have >taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does >not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot >of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I >still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only >pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a >larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is >internet-enabled. >> >> >> >> In the end. . I need a lot of help. >> >> >> >> Mitch >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. >Hargrove >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >> >> To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >> >> Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY >> >> >> >> So far we have seen introductions from: >> >> KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. >> >> >> >> How about the rest of this 92 person group? >> >> What is your set-up or what will it be? >> >> What software, hardware, services, etc? >> >> Let us all help each other to get things going. >> >> >> >> On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY >list, we >> >> >> >> >> >> now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a >> >> >> >> >> >> great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, >> >> >> >> >> >> what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system >> >> >> >> >> >> you are running, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of >> >> >> >> >> >> knowledge/projects. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I will start: >> >> >> >> >> >> - N2NOV >> >> >> >> >> >> - Staten Island, NYC >> >> >> >> >> >> - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc >> >> >> >> >> >> - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( >> >> >> >> http://www.nyc-arecs.org) >> >> >> >> >> >> - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux >> >> >> >> >> >> - NY State 44Net/ >> >> >> >> AMPR.org coordinator >> >> >> >> >> >> - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web >hosting) >> >> >> >> >> >> - ran for Congress as a write-in twice >> >> >> >> >> >> ( >> >> >> >> http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) >> >> >> >> >> >> - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >> >> NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. >> >> >> >> NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >> >> ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >> >> NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >> >> http://www.nyc-arecs.org >> >> >> >> NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on >7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 >> >> >> >> "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." >- Ronald Reagan >> >> >> >> "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus >> >> >> >> "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) >> >> >> >> "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many >services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - >Ronald Reagan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwebster at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 30 13:47:03 2020 From: bwebster at stny.rr.com (Brian Webster) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 13:47:03 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <274101d6c749$320cfba0$9626f2e0$@stny.rr.com> Chris, If you live in an area where people only build a small BPQ node, put a user port on it and link it to the internet I would totally agree with you that we are too dependent on the internet for packet. There was a real lull in packet activity and a lot of hams who got their licenses in the last 10 or 15 years only understand packet as being APRS. APRS is one use of packet radio but the concept of a connected radio network with dedicated backbone links and user ports had died off for the most part when affordable and speedy internet became mainstream. Some of us old die hard operators kept parts of the old packet network up and running. Here in Central NY and the Capital district we have nodes that have been running since the early 90?s. Back then it was part of the Northeast Digital Association (NEDA). This was more of a standards group than anything. They collectively developed a system of setting recommendations for the packet equipment of the day and hardware suggestions to establish site to site hidden transmitter free backbone links with user ports mostly on 2 meters for the everyday ham to gain access to the network. At the time it was very successful and reached from Ohio to Maine. If you look here http://www.torborg.com/ka2dew/packet/neda/neda.htm you can read through a lot of the old quarterly newsletters. In those are old network maps that show you the complexity of things and how well the all ham volunteers had built a network out of massive cooperation and nothing more. Some of the major sites on that network are able to be revived or dusted off to get some of the core back together. Sadly though some of the site have gone quiet due to silent keys who once maintained them. The good news is that with some training and explanations but those of us who still remember what the network was, there are other hams who are in fact interested and willing to take up the cause and get things back on air. Quite a few of the sites are supported by local governments under their RACES programs and some of their hardened commercial tower sites are provided. There is tremendous support at the state RACES level to keep these packet networks alive and thriving. NY State RACES absolutely believes in packet radio! So much so that some of the homeland security department radio technicians help out and provide some technical support. The indicated support and energy that already exists on this list shows me we can make a vibrant and strong network once again and since we have more options to integrate TCPIP and the 44 ampr.org network, things will be even better than back in the 90?s. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Piggott Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 12:56 PM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerome.kutche at lehighhanson.com Mon Nov 30 13:52:30 2020 From: jerome.kutche at lehighhanson.com (Kutche, Jerome M (Mitchell) USA) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 18:52:30 +0000 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: Just as added info.. May be of no use? But? Besides Uronode/FBB/Jnos on my main NET44 PC. I run LinBPQ on a Dell Debian Server (overkill) Utilizing several RF Radios.. 2 Being a Icom746Pro and a Icom706MKIIG They both run a Hardware TNC (706) Scs Tracker for HF and Robust packet and a Signalink for WINMOR/ARDOP/VARA HF The 746 Pro has a SCS P4 Dragon for Pactor I II III And a signalink for WINMOR/ARDOP/VARA HF Each Radio scans a set of Frequencies, and responds to the corresponding detected mode. Also all outgoing connects are whatever my systems forwarding tells it to use for that specific event. Very cool. I have successfully had simultaneous connects on all HF Radios.. in whatever mode they were using. Also using a tun0 Interface connects it via NET44 to my Uronode box.. 73 Jerry Ports Port Driver ID Beacons Driver Window 1 ASYNC APRS 144.390 Icom2200H Beacons 2 BPQAXIP AX/IP/UDP (Internet Linking) Beacons 3 SCSPACTOR Pactor/RPR P4D 746Pro Beacons Driver Window 4 ASYNC OpenNET 432.250 9.6k TEKK Beacons 5 SCSTRACKER Skipnet RPR/HF 706MKIIG Beacons Driver Window 6 TELNET Telnet Server Driver Window 7 WINMOR Skipnet WINMOR 706MKIIG 7.101U Driver Window 8 WINMOR Skipnet WINMOR 746Pro 14.111U Driver Window 9 SCSTRACKER HF_Skipnet NET105 Beacons Driver Window 10 TRKMULTI OpenNET 145.050 1.2k Beacons 11 SCSTRACKER Tracker 10.14820 USB Beacons Driver Window 12 ARDOP HF_Skipnet ARDOP1 746PRO Beacons Driver Window 13 ARDOP HF_Skipnet ARDOP1 706 Beacons Driver Window 14 VARA VARA 706 Driver Window 15 VARA VARA 746 Driver Window 16 INTERNAL Loopback Beacons From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work. > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY > On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwebster at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 30 13:52:11 2020 From: bwebster at stny.rr.com (Brian Webster) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 13:52:11 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an unattended station. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work. > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Mon Nov 30 14:29:32 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:29:32 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: Brian, If it's not legal to have an unattended station (definition of "unattended" as under Part 97,) then how do Winlink/RMS, APRS, and even our own BBS', JNOS + other email/internet or voice network relay/access nodes work if we're not logged in monitoring them 24x7x365? Or are they - like repeaters with phone patch capabilities or on EchoLink - considered "remotely controlled" stations? How is an ALE node that a human being is dialing into remotely just available on variably clear frequencies different than connecting to a repeater - just one multiple possible (but preprogrammed) frequencies? And if a station (even on a sine preset frequency) cannot be unattended, then how are our RF links across the state supposed to work? I'm sincerely asking so that I understand the difference. Thank you. Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 30, 2020, 1:52 PM, at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster wrote: >The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an >unattended station. > > > >Thank You, > >Brian Webster N2KGC > >Cooperstown. NY > > > >From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM >To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > >Christopher, > >> The question is, will we build in the discipline > >> to make sure the RF paths always work. > >> Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > >> and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > >> track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > >> area I'd love to help. > >That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked >about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the >officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher >to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, >and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if >that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed >frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or >they've got 15 antennas...) > >Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? > > > > > >Get BlueMail for Android > >On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott >wrote: > >Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have >working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that >we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to >the Buffalo region. > > > >Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of >purpose. > > > >Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. > > > >I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the >internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way >you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, >will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. >Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS >approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an >area I'd love to help. > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> >wrote: > >Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even >though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is >better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have >connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an >extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on >that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will >be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of >routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. > > > >Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. >Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have >working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that >we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to >the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern >NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the >downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with >a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once >those are established additional routes over RF would be the next >logical step to have some redundancy. > > > >Thank you, > >Brian Webster N2KGC > >Cooperstown, NY 13326 > > > >From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe >Cupano >Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM >To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > > >Well said, AJM > >It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of >NYC. >I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials >on our IT infra >that were displaced by the events in a few days. > >73, > >- Joe, NE2Z > >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): > >On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: > >Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection >may not be possible > >I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > >I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other >hand, you do have to admit that: > >a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, >and > >b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons >of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP >tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing >and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was >intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to >(hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear >attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only >Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment >in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power >loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern >seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC >broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went >out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant >messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that >way that day... > >Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our >infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in >conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for >all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work >for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large >healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local >infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more >resilient network in that regard. > >And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between >the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we >have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by >definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some >projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is >in our DNA so to speak... > >Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no >choice... > >That's just my opinion... > >73, > >AJM, KB2AJM > >On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott >wrote: > >Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection >may not be possible > > > >I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < >andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > >Hello Mitch KE7WWT. > >Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely >ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to >"INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications >technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, >etc. > >You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down >here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not >ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious >ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not >interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are >making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, >some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have >been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of >shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. > >I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my >(thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case >I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to >congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so >two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure >is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, >including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) > >So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is >(mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand >this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up >you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. > >I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and >where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any >assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT >OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. > >With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, >I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public >IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment >(Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know >TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have >the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax >signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to >link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) >those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... > >Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. > >73 again, > >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM > > > > >Get BlueMail for Android > >On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < >maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: > >KE7WWT >Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw >away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 >days and 2 hours. > >I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. >I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am >also a MARS operator. > >I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing >with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change >soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two >(ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves >Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station >radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to >link and interface Packet. > >Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are >the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very >little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have >taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does >not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot >of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I >still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only >pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a >larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is >internet-enabled. > >In the end. . I need a lot of help. > >Mitch > > >-----Original Message----- >From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. >Hargrove >Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 >To: hamgateny at n2nov.net >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > >So far we have seen introductions from: >KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > >How about the rest of this 92 person group? >What is your set-up or what will it be? >What software, hardware, services, etc? >Let us all help each other to get things going. > >On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > > > > > >Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > > > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a > > > great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, > > > what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system > > > you are running, etc. > > > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > > > knowledge/projects. > > > > > > I will start: > > > - N2NOV > > > - Staten Island, NYC > > > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > > > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( > > http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > > > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > > > - NY State 44Net/ > > AMPR.org coordinator > > > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > > > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice > > > ( > > http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > > > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > > > > > > > > > >-- >Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV >NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > >NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL >ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM >NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM >http://www.nyc-arecs.org > >NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on >7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > >"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." >- Ronald Reagan > >"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > >"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) > >"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services >it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald >Reagan > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:30 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Brian, If it's not legal to have an unattended station (definition of "unattended" as under Part 97,) then how do Winlink/RMS, APRS, and even our own BBS', JNOS + other email/internet or voice network relay/access nodes work if we're not logged in monitoring them 24x7x365? Or are they - like repeaters with phone patch capabilities or on EchoLink - considered "remotely controlled" stations? How is an ALE node that a human being is dialing into remotely just available on variably clear frequencies different than connecting to a repeater - just one multiple possible (but preprogrammed) frequencies? And if a station (even on a sine preset frequency) cannot be unattended, then how are our RF links across the state supposed to work? I'm sincerely asking so that I understand the difference. Thank you. Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an unattended station. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work. > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY > On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwebster at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 30 14:34:11 2020 From: bwebster at stny.rr.com (Brian Webster) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:34:11 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <277201d6c74f$c7e1b4d0$57a51e70$@stny.rr.com> Unattended operations are allowed at 50 MHz and above. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:30 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Brian, If it's not legal to have an unattended station (definition of "unattended" as under Part 97,) then how do Winlink/RMS, APRS, and even our own BBS', JNOS + other email/internet or voice network relay/access nodes work if we're not logged in monitoring them 24x7x365? Or are they - like repeaters with phone patch capabilities or on EchoLink - considered "remotely controlled" stations? How is an ALE node that a human being is dialing into remotely just available on variably clear frequencies different than connecting to a repeater - just one multiple possible (but preprogrammed) frequencies? And if a station (even on a sine preset frequency) cannot be unattended, then how are our RF links across the state supposed to work? I'm sincerely asking so that I understand the difference. Thank you. Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster wrote: The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an unattended station. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work. > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerome.kutche at lehighhanson.com Mon Nov 30 14:38:53 2020 From: jerome.kutche at lehighhanson.com (Kutche, Jerome M (Mitchell) USA) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 19:38:53 +0000 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <277201d6c74f$c7e1b4d0$57a51e70$@stny.rr.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> <277201d6c74f$c7e1b4d0$57a51e70$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: As well as HF.. ?see previous post. From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:34 PM To: '44Net Sysops in NY State' Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Unattended operations are allowed at 50 MHz and above. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:30 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Brian, If it's not legal to have an unattended station (definition of "unattended" as under Part 97,) then how do Winlink/RMS, APRS, and even our own BBS', JNOS + other email/internet or voice network relay/access nodes work if we're not logged in monitoring them 24x7x365? Or are they - like repeaters with phone patch capabilities or on EchoLink - considered "remotely controlled" stations? How is an ALE node that a human being is dialing into remotely just available on variably clear frequencies different than connecting to a repeater - just one multiple possible (but preprogrammed) frequencies? And if a station (even on a sine preset frequency) cannot be unattended, then how are our RF links across the state supposed to work? I'm sincerely asking so that I understand the difference. Thank you. Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an unattended station. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work. > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY > On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. 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(c) Except for channels specified in ? 97.303(h), a station may be automatically controlled while transmitting a RTTY or data emission on any other frequency authorized for such emission types provided that: (1) The station is responding to interrogation by a station under local or remote control; and (2) No transmission from the automatically controlled station occupies a bandwidth of more than 500 Hz. [60 FR 26001, May 16, 1995, as amended at 72 FR 3082, Jan. 24, 2007; 77 FR 5412, Feb. 3, 2012] Jerome Kutche Electrical Supervisor Lehigh Cement Company LLC 180 N. Meridian Road Mitchell, IN 47446 Phone: (812) 849-2191 X 252 Call: (812) 902-9277 Jerome.Kutche at lehighhanson.com www.Lehighhanson.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Mon Nov 30 15:15:03 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:15:03 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <277201d6c74f$c7e1b4d0$57a51e70$@stny.rr.com> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> <277201d6c74f$c7e1b4d0$57a51e70$@stny.rr.com> Message-ID: <2fee2358-e2ae-4b0c-a8ac-575236890e82@kb2ajm.us> So does that mean that Winlink RMS nodes and servers running at 70M, 80M + 160M are illegal? ? ________________________________________ Andrew J. 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On Nov 30, 2020, 2:34 PM, at 2:34 PM, Brian Webster wrote: >Unattended operations are allowed at 50 MHz and above. > > > >Thank You, > >Brian Webster N2KGC > >Cooperstown. NY > > > >From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:30 PM >To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > >Brian, > >If it's not legal to have an unattended station (definition of >"unattended" as under Part 97,) then how do Winlink/RMS, APRS, and even >our own BBS', JNOS + other email/internet or voice network relay/access >nodes work if we're not logged in monitoring them 24x7x365? > >Or are they - like repeaters with phone patch capabilities or on >EchoLink - considered "remotely controlled" stations? > >How is an ALE node that a human being is dialing into remotely just >available on variably clear frequencies different than connecting to a >repeater - just one multiple possible (but preprogrammed) frequencies? > >And if a station (even on a sine preset frequency) cannot be >unattended, then how are our RF links across the state supposed to >work? > >I'm sincerely asking so that I understand the difference. > >Thank you. > >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM > > > > >Get BlueMail for Android > >On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster >wrote: > >The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an >unattended station. > > > >Thank You, > >Brian Webster N2KGC > >Cooperstown. NY > > > >From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM >To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > >Christopher, > >> The question is, will we build in the discipline > >> to make sure the RF paths always work. > >> Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > >> and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > >> track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > >> area I'd love to help. > >That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked >about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the >officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher >to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, >and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if >that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed >frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or >they've got 15 antennas...) > >Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? > > > > >Get BlueMail for Android > >On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott >wrote: > >Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have >working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that >we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to >the Buffalo region. > > > >Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of >purpose. > > > >Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. > > > >I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the >internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way >you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, >will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. >Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS >approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an >area I'd love to help. > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> >wrote: > >Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even >though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is >better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have >connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an >extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on >that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will >be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of >routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. > > > >Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. >Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have >working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that >we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to >the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern >NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the >downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with >a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once >those are established additional routes over RF would be the next >logical step to have some redundancy. > > > >Thank you, > >Brian Webster N2KGC > >Cooperstown, NY 13326 > > > >From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe >Cupano >Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM >To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > > >Well said, AJM > >It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of >NYC. >I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials >on our IT infra >that were displaced by the events in a few days. > >73, > >- Joe, NE2Z > >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): > >On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: > >Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection >may not be possible > >I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > >I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other >hand, you do have to admit that: > >a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, >and > >b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons >of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP >tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing >and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was >intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to >(hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear >attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only >Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment >in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power >loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern >seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC >broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went >out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant >messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that >way that day... > >Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our >infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in >conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for >all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work >for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large >healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local >infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more >resilient network in that regard. > >And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between >the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we >have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by >definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some >projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is >in our DNA so to speak... > >Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no >choice... > >That's just my opinion... > >73, > >AJM, KB2AJM > >On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott >wrote: > >Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection >may not be possible > > > >I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so >dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < >andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > >Hello Mitch KE7WWT. > >Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely >ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to >"INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications >technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, >etc. > >You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down >here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not >ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious >ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not >interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are >making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, >some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have >been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of >shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. > >I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my >(thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case >I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to >congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so >two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure >is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, >including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) > >So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is >(mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand >this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up >you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. > >I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and >where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any >assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT >OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. > >With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, >I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public >IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment >(Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know >TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have >the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax >signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to >link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) >those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... > >Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. > >73 again, > >Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM > > > >Get BlueMail for Android > >On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < >maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: > >KE7WWT > >Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw >away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 >days and 2 hours. > > > >I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. >I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am >also a MARS operator. > > > >I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing >with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change >soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two >(ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves >Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station >radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to >link and interface Packet. > > > >Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are >the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very >little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have >taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does >not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot >of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I >still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only >pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a >larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is >internet-enabled. > > > >In the end. . I need a lot of help. > > > >Mitch > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. >Hargrove > >Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 > >To: hamgateny at n2nov.net > >Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY > > > >So far we have seen introductions from: > >KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. > > > >How about the rest of this 92 person group? > >What is your set-up or what will it be? > >What software, hardware, services, etc? > >Let us all help each other to get things going. > > > >On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we > > > > > > now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a > > > > > > great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, > > > > > > what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system > > > > > > you are running, etc. > > > > > > Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of > > > > > > knowledge/projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will start: > > > > > > - N2NOV > > > > > > - Staten Island, NYC > > > > > > - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc > > > > > > - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( > > > > http://www.nyc-arecs.org) > > > > > > - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux > > > > > > - NY State 44Net/ > > > > AMPR.org coordinator > > > > > > - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) > > > > > > - ran for Congress as a write-in twice > > > > > > ( > > > > http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) > > > > > > - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV > >NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. > > > >NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL > >ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM > >NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM > >http://www.nyc-arecs.org > > > >NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on >7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 > > > >"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the >walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." >- Ronald Reagan > > > >"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus > > > >"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) > > > >"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services >it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald >Reagan > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerome.kutche at lehighhanson.com Mon Nov 30 15:27:01 2020 From: jerome.kutche at lehighhanson.com (Kutche, Jerome M (Mitchell) USA) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 20:27:01 +0000 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <2fee2358-e2ae-4b0c-a8ac-575236890e82@kb2ajm.us> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> <277201d6c74f$c7e1b4d0$57a51e70$@stny.rr.com> <2fee2358-e2ae-4b0c-a8ac-575236890e82@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: Are my posts not making it.. From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 3:15 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So does that mean that Winlink RMS nodes and servers running at 70M, 80M + 160M are illegal? ________________________________________ Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (formerly KD2PLE) MLT/MT(ASCP,) EMT-B(ret.,) InfoSec, etc. Sullivan County, NY ARES/RACES Member + Webmaster andrew at highland-it.com andrew at kb2ajm.us kb2ajm at scnyares.org kb2ajm at winlink.org > Skype = andrew.j.mcleod x4300 = Hamshack Hotline - Base x4301 = Hamshack Hotline - Ops x4931 = Hamshack Hotline - Softphone x14312 = Hamshack Hotline - HHX (Experimental) https://www.kb2ajm.us https://www.highland-it.com https://www.highlandhostingsolutions.com COMING BACK: http://tech.realmcleod.net COMING SOON: http://packetradio.network COMING SOON: http://packetradio.tools COMING SOON: http://arduinopiham.net Tinker of Antennas, APRS, AMPRnet, Winlink, Mobile/Portable Equipment, Cisco VoIP, Arduinos + RPis (of all sizes,) Sensors, IoT, and many other geeky things. "Stealing is illegal - the government hates competition" ________________________________________ Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: Unattended operations are allowed at 50 MHz and above. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:30 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Brian, If it's not legal to have an unattended station (definition of "unattended" as under Part 97,) then how do Winlink/RMS, APRS, and even our own BBS', JNOS + other email/internet or voice network relay/access nodes work if we're not logged in monitoring them 24x7x365? Or are they - like repeaters with phone patch capabilities or on EchoLink - considered "remotely controlled" stations? How is an ALE node that a human being is dialing into remotely just available on variably clear frequencies different than connecting to a repeater - just one multiple possible (but preprogrammed) frequencies? And if a station (even on a sine preset frequency) cannot be unattended, then how are our RF links across the state supposed to work? I'm sincerely asking so that I understand the difference. Thank you. Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an unattended station. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work. > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY > On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. 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Actually if you read this you can run unattended outside the Automatically controlled sub bands as well, special rules in section C. ? 97.221 Automatically controlled digital station. (a) This rule section does not apply to an auxiliary station, a beacon station, a repeater station, an earth station, a space station, or a space telecommand station. (b) A station may be automatically controlled while transmitting a RTTY or data emission on the 6 m or shorter wavelength bands, and on the 28.120-28.189 MHz, 24.925-24.930 MHz, 21.090-21.100 MHz, 18.105-18.110 MHz, 14.0950-14.0995 MHz, 14.1005-14.112 MHz, 10.140-10.150 MHz, 7.100-7.105 MHz, or 3.585-3.600 MHz segments. (c) Except for channels specified in ? 97.303(h), a station may be automatically controlled while transmitting a RTTY or data emission on any other frequency authorized for such emission types provided that: (1) The station is responding to interrogation by a station under local or remote control; and (2) No transmission from the automatically controlled station occupies a bandwidth of more than 500 Hz. [60 FR 26001, May 16, 1995, as amended at 72 FR 3082, Jan. 24, 2007; 77 FR 5412, Feb. 3, 2012] From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 3:15 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So does that mean that Winlink RMS nodes and servers running at 70M, 80M + 160M are illegal? ________________________________________ Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (formerly KD2PLE) MLT/MT(ASCP,) EMT-B(ret.,) InfoSec, etc. Sullivan County, NY ARES/RACES Member + Webmaster andrew at highland-it.com andrew at kb2ajm.us kb2ajm at scnyares.org kb2ajm at winlink.org > Skype = andrew.j.mcleod x4300 = Hamshack Hotline - Base x4301 = Hamshack Hotline - Ops x4931 = Hamshack Hotline - Softphone x14312 = Hamshack Hotline - HHX (Experimental) https://www.kb2ajm.us https://www.highland-it.com https://www.highlandhostingsolutions.com COMING BACK: http://tech.realmcleod.net COMING SOON: http://packetradio.network COMING SOON: http://packetradio.tools COMING SOON: http://arduinopiham.net Tinker of Antennas, APRS, AMPRnet, Winlink, Mobile/Portable Equipment, Cisco VoIP, Arduinos + RPis (of all sizes,) Sensors, IoT, and many other geeky things. "Stealing is illegal - the government hates competition" ________________________________________ Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: Unattended operations are allowed at 50 MHz and above. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:30 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Brian, If it's not legal to have an unattended station (definition of "unattended" as under Part 97,) then how do Winlink/RMS, APRS, and even our own BBS', JNOS + other email/internet or voice network relay/access nodes work if we're not logged in monitoring them 24x7x365? Or are they - like repeaters with phone patch capabilities or on EchoLink - considered "remotely controlled" stations? How is an ALE node that a human being is dialing into remotely just available on variably clear frequencies different than connecting to a repeater - just one multiple possible (but preprogrammed) frequencies? And if a station (even on a sine preset frequency) cannot be unattended, then how are our RF links across the state supposed to work? I'm sincerely asking so that I understand the difference. Thank you. Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an unattended station. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work. > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott > wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY > On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. 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Anything actionable, practical or theoretical, should have its own subject. Also, as a courtesy, please trim replies down to the message actually being replied to. New group, new users, things will stabilize soon. Thanks and 73 de Jeff AJ2A Jeff Archambeault AJ2A Proprietor, Bark Eater Studios Technology Frustration Resolution Solutions jeff at barkeaterstudios.com (518) 696-5675 (home) (518) 595-9815 (cell) On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:16 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > So does that mean that Winlink RMS nodes and servers running at 70M, 80M + > 160M are illegal? > > > ________________________________________ > Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (formerly KD2PLE) > MLT/MT(ASCP,) EMT-B(ret.,) InfoSec, etc. > Sullivan County, NY ARES/RACES Member + Webmaster > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at kb2ajm.us Mon Nov 30 16:08:09 2020 From: andrew at kb2ajm.us (Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE)) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 16:08:09 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Packet Radio over HF... In-Reply-To: References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> <277201d6c74f$c7e1b4d0$57a51e70$@stny.rr.com> <2fee2358-e2ae-4b0c-a8ac-575236890e82@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: Jeff, I apologize - it's hard to trim and quote properly from a mobile device and every group has its own etiquette to comply with, published or not... I have also changed the title of this thread, as per your recommendation. The question is relevant because we are talking about long distance packet radio on bands including lower HF (of which Winlink is a successful example of, to the point of a major Red Cross drill not a week or two ago because the Red Cross has switched almost exclusively to Winlink,) and in terms of 44net "backbone" radio nodes, we are talking about 24x7 connections that are unmanned and unattended at most times. Both are packet radio techniques, both can operate at a broad range of frequencies, and both have sending and receiving RF stations that are unmanned most of the time... So I am just trying to understand the difference if one (ex. 44net backbone links) are legal and the other is not, what is the difference? Brian already gave an answer regarding the higher bands. I am simply trying to understand what is permitted lower, and if there is a difference, why? Regards, ________________________________________ Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (formerly KD2PLE) MLT/MT(ASCP,) EMT-B(ret.,) InfoSec, etc. Sullivan County, NY ARES/RACES Member + Webmaster andrew at highland-it.com andrew at kb2ajm.us kb2ajm at scnyares.org kb2ajm at winlink.org > Skype = andrew.j.mcleod x4300 = Hamshack Hotline - Base x4301 = Hamshack Hotline - Ops x4931 = Hamshack Hotline - Softphone x14312 = Hamshack Hotline - HHX (Experimental) https://www.kb2ajm.us https://www.highland-it.com https://www.highlandhostingsolutions.com COMING BACK: http://tech.realmcleod.net COMING SOON: http://packetradio.network COMING SOON: http://packetradio.tools COMING SOON: http://arduinopiham.net Tinker of Antennas, APRS, AMPRnet, Winlink, Mobile/Portable Equipment, Cisco VoIP, Arduinos + RPis (of all sizes,) Sensors, IoT, and many other geeky things. "Stealing is illegal - the government hates competition" ________________________________________ Get BlueMail for Android ? On Nov 30, 2020, 3:34 PM, at 3:34 PM, Jeff Archambeault wrote: >As interesting as the question may be, isn't this is a packet radio >related >mailing list? How does this apply to this "Welcome to the group" >thread. >Anything actionable, practical or theoretical, should have its own >subject. > >Also, as a courtesy, please trim replies down to the message actually >being >replied to. > >New group, new users, things will stabilize soon. > >Thanks and 73 de Jeff AJ2A > >Jeff Archambeault AJ2A >Proprietor, Bark Eater Studios >Technology Frustration Resolution Solutions >jeff at barkeaterstudios.com >(518) 696-5675 (home) >(518) 595-9815 (cell) > > >On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:16 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < >andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: > >> So does that mean that Winlink RMS nodes and servers running at 70M, >80M + >> 160M are illegal? >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> Andrew J. 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URL: From bwebster at stny.rr.com Mon Nov 30 20:08:22 2020 From: bwebster at stny.rr.com (Brian Webster) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 20:08:22 -0500 Subject: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY In-Reply-To: <2fee2358-e2ae-4b0c-a8ac-575236890e82@kb2ajm.us> References: <719496967.150666.1604460226340@webmail1.networksolutionsemail.com> <524fd5e6-c195-1ce4-6d9d-682a6b393a6f@n2nov.net> <038c01d6b821$20fcd380$62f67a80$@maurice-mitchell.com> <19305938-cbcf-46b0-8cba-7758bdd4ceda@kb2ajm.us> <95fa8cf5-e750-4610-a975-2cff64547ff7@kb2ajm.us> <790b8945-4346-11a8-93d5-c7dd85893b53@cupano.com> <267801d6c72b$59378420$0ba68c60$@stny.rr.com> <8478b811-7da4-4325-add3-8a535754a584@kb2ajm.us> <274901d6c749$e99d52b0$bcd7f810$@stny.rr.com> <277201d6c74f$c7e1b4d0$57a51e70$@stny.rr.com> <2fee2358-e2ae-4b0c-a8ac-575236890e82@kb2ajm.us> Message-ID: <285401d6c77e$76fd3240$64f796c0$@stny.rr.com> This pdf has a decent summary of how they are doing it with WinLink. Keep in mind that MARS is not under the same rules as Part 97 amateur radio rules. https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/7521098786.pdf Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 3:15 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So does that mean that Winlink RMS nodes and servers running at 70M, 80M + 160M are illegal? ________________________________________ Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (formerly KD2PLE) MLT/MT(ASCP,) EMT-B(ret.,) InfoSec, etc. Sullivan County, NY ARES/RACES Member + Webmaster andrew at highland-it.com andrew at kb2ajm.us kb2ajm at scnyares.org kb2ajm at winlink.org > Skype = andrew.j.mcleod x4300 = Hamshack Hotline - Base x4301 = Hamshack Hotline - Ops x4931 = Hamshack Hotline - Softphone x14312 = Hamshack Hotline - HHX (Experimental) https://www.kb2ajm.us https://www.highland-it.com https://www.highlandhostingsolutions.com COMING BACK: http://tech.realmcleod.net COMING SOON: http://packetradio.network COMING SOON: http://packetradio.tools COMING SOON: http://arduinopiham.net Tinker of Antennas, APRS, AMPRnet, Winlink, Mobile/Portable Equipment, Cisco VoIP, Arduinos + RPis (of all sizes,) Sensors, IoT, and many other geeky things. "Stealing is illegal - the government hates competition" ________________________________________ Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:34 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Unattended operations are allowed at 50 MHz and above. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:30 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Brian, If it's not legal to have an unattended station (definition of "unattended" as under Part 97,) then how do Winlink/RMS, APRS, and even our own BBS', JNOS + other email/internet or voice network relay/access nodes work if we're not logged in monitoring them 24x7x365? Or are they - like repeaters with phone patch capabilities or on EchoLink - considered "remotely controlled" stations? How is an ALE node that a human being is dialing into remotely just available on variably clear frequencies different than connecting to a repeater - just one multiple possible (but preprogrammed) frequencies? And if a station (even on a sine preset frequency) cannot be unattended, then how are our RF links across the state supposed to work? I'm sincerely asking so that I understand the difference. Thank you. Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Brian Webster wrote: The problem with ALE on the ham bands is that it?s not legal to have an unattended station. Thank You, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown. NY From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 1:22 PM To: HamGateNY - AMPRnet (44Net) Sysops in NY Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Christopher, > The question is, will we build in the discipline > to make sure the RF paths always work. > Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) > and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps > track of the condition of the RF path. That's an > area I'd love to help. That's why near the tail end of my last [long-winded] email I asked about ALE. From my short time in MARS, I know at least some of the officers of the Region used ALE on HF with an automatic tuner/matcher to always be autonomously active 24x7 to pass on messages as needed, and as I just now started also working with Winlink, I was wondering if that's how some of these nodes on the map are changing listed frequencies as the day goes on and the MUF/LUF changes (either that or they've got 15 antennas...) Anyone here have a similar type of set-up? Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. Your optimism about this really made my day. It gives me a sense of purpose. Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. I've been on a rant about amateur packet being totally dependent on the internet (which maybe is inaccurate and too pessimistic) but the way you phrased it approaches things more practically. The question is, will we build in the discipline to make sure the RF paths always work. Maybe the answer to that is 1) caring (hehe) and 2) some kind of NMS approach that keeps track of the condition of the RF path. That's an area I'd love to help. On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Brian Webster < bwebster at stny.rr.com> wrote: Hybrid networks are, will and should be part of our systems. Even though RF links can be much slower than the internet backbone, slow is better than no connectivity should various portions of the network have connectivity issues. Something as simple as a power outage for an extended periods of time at a gateway location can affect the users on that segment of a network in the state. Having the RF link to use will be a nice asset. Many of the packet node systems can make use of routing to make use of the best working path at any given time. Just getting us all talking about these things makes a huge difference. Just my few conversations with people in the regions we used to have working RF networks is starting to yield results. Enough results that we might have an RF network back up and running at least from Albany to the Buffalo region. From that core links up to Watertown and Northern NY and then the Southern Tier could be next. The RF linking to the downstate and NY metro region will likely be easiest to accomplish with a link from PA to Northern NJ and that existing network for now. Once those are established additional routes over RF would be the next logical step to have some redundancy. Thank you, Brian Webster N2KGC Cooperstown, NY 13326 From: HamGateNY [mailto:hamgateny-bounces at n2nov.net] On Behalf Of Joe Cupano Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:51 AM To: 44Net Sysops in NY State; Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY Well said, AJM It was amazing how much infrastructure was unaffected in the rest of NYC. I worked for a global financial that started hosting other financials on our IT infra that were displaced by the events in a few days. 73, - Joe, NE2Z Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE): On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. I too worry about the dependency on public infrastructure. On the other hand, you do have to admit that: a) there is a lot more geography covered by it than by Hams nowadays, and b) in my mind (personal opinion from personal experience,) the lessons of 9/11 (when I was still living in northern NJ and was a Voice + IP tech/engineer in Manhattan at the time) demonstrated the self-healing and resilient capabilities of TCP/IP and packet networks, as was intended by the DARPA people who to my understanding invented it to (hopefully) maintain distributed command and control after a nuclear attack. When maximum destruction at ground zero took out not only Verizon Bldg. #7 but all the fiber, copper and AT&T switching equipment in the basement of tower (1 or 2) and - between cable cuts and power loss - the majority of the interconnects coming into the eastern seaboard, when analog switched phone, cellular, many of the local NYC broadcast TV and radio stations (antennas on the roof of the WTC) went out. But my Blackberry work pager worked, as did AOL and Yahoo instant messenger, and a lot of people communicated with their families that way that day... Although I do not have all the faith in the world that some have in our infrastructure (including FirstNet) nor do I live all the way in conspiracyland, I do believe that our dependence on the internet for all types of connectivity (even some of the ignorant hospitals I work for depend almost entirely on remote connectivity across large healthcare systems with distant data enters with almost no local infrastructure now,) has led to at least a somewhat stronger, more resilient network in that regard. And to that extent, for what we are doing, for small hops in between the regions that we simply do not have enough Hams to cover, I think we have no choice but for a hybrid system. After all, "44net" by definition is related to our IPv4 allocation. And so unlike some projects that are intended to be entirely wireless, I think hybrid is in our DNA so to speak... Barring solar flares and all out armageddon, I think we have no choice... That's just my opinion... 73, AJM, KB2AJM On Nov 16, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Piggott wrote: Internet to help carry between those areas where a direct RF connection may not be possible I do understand that. I'm just worried about the idea of being so dependent on public wired and wireless infrastructure. On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:18 PM Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM (ex. KD2PLE) < andrew at kb2ajm.us> wrote: Hello Mitch KE7WWT. Without drooling too much, I just wanted to say that your extremely ambitious project(s) mirror my own interests in being able to "INTER-network" and converge these vital (and fun) communications technologies - voice, data/packet/digi, VoIP, APRS, RF, terrestrial, etc. You guys up north may be some of the poorest counties in NYS, but down here in the rural Catskills we have some simar statistics too (just not ones to brag about.) I and a few dispersed others also have ambitious ideas that many surrounding us are either put off by or simply not interested in. And so while a few projects of communal interest are making some progress regionally (ex. Winlink, an ARES/RACES repeater, some APRS digipeaters and I-gates, etc.) others such as myself have been doing similar to you - trying to build it all ourselves out of shallow pockets and an even smaller lot of property. I find your portable C&C center very interesting, and similar to my (thus far more) meager and slightly larger 12U rolling 19" rack case I've built for ARES and personal use. The entire idea of being able to congregate info from a multitude of sources and potentially do so two-way over range without the requirement of failable infrastructure is exactly what interests me as well (too many years of IT and EMS, including working in NYC before, during and after 9/11.) So while - with the exception of my SignaLink USB on HF - my setup is (mostly) analog so far, my goal as time and finances allow is to expand this into the exact same voice/packet INTER-networked type of set-up you have in mind, both stationary/base as well as portable. I would definitely be interested in chatting as to where you are and where you see your next steps to be going, and if I can offer any assistance from my background I would be happy to do so - AND THAT OFFER GOES TO ANYBODY ELSE WHERE. With regards to internet connectivity, TCP/IP, data and VoIP equipment, I have (home) business-grade internet with a 13 usable block of public IPs, as well as considerably more TCP/IP, VoIP and security equipment (Cisco, Ubiquiti, etc.) at the moment than I do Ham, so while I know TCP/IP is a heavy-overhead protocol, if any projects of interest have the need to (for example) convert an incoming RF analog voice or fax signal into TCP/IP to send out over the internet - or to use VoIP to link RFs at 2 locations over internet (sort of like EchoLink does,) those are some of the ideas I've been toying around with... Enough for now. Glad to make everybody's acquaintance, and TTYS. 73 again, Andrew J. McLeod, KB2AJM Get BlueMail for Android On Nov 11, 2020, at 6:52 AM, "Maurice A. Mitchell - KE7WWT" < maurice at maurice-mitchell.com> wrote: KE7WWT Jefferson County NY (North of Syracuse) located just a stone's throw away from the fence at Fort Drum. Retired Army - 26 years, 7 months, 5 days and 2 hours. I run the WINLINK Packet system and serve on the both ARES and RACES. I am a DHS SHARES operator with ALE/Voice and HF RMS WINLINK. I am also a MARS operator. I start this project almost a year ago and thanks to changes dealing with COVID, I have ran out of time, but hope to have things change soon. I wanted to use the 44Net as a way to combine, in one box or two (ammo cans) the ability to have a mobile/portable node that serves Broadband Hamnet, APRS I-GATE and digi, remote control of base station radios, DMR and maybe D-STAR hotspots, and of course the ability to link and interface Packet. Jefferson and its surrounding counties (Saint Lawrence and Lewis) are the three poorest counties in the State, and as such, there is very little activity that requires expenditure of money. As such, I have taken the "build it and they will come" mentality. In the end, it does not work - This is baofeng country. Not a lot of hams, and not a lot of invested in the art and science of communications. That said, I still want a method that can tie me into various networks to not only pull information, but also to share information for the benefit of a larger group. I want something that is not internet-dependent, but is internet-enabled. In the end. . I need a lot of help. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: HamGateNY On Behalf Of Charles J. Hargrove Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 23:28 To: hamgateny at n2nov.net Subject: Re: [HamGateNY] Welcome to HamGateNY So far we have seen introductions from: KA1NJL, K2JJT, WW2BSA, KB2AJM and AJ2A. How about the rest of this 92 person group? What is your set-up or what will it be? What software, hardware, services, etc? Let us all help each other to get things going. On 11/5/2020 11:06 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote: Since the merger of the WNYPG mailing list into the HamGateNY list, we now have 87 members (some who were on both lists). This would be a great opportunity to introduce yourselves. Give us your callsign, what area of NY State (or outside of it), what kind of packet system you are running, etc. Let's use this list as a request-for-help and sharing of knowledge/projects. I will start: - N2NOV - Staten Island, NYC - EmComm lead for ARES/RACES during 9/11, 2003 Blackout, etc - Founder/President of NYC-ARECS ( http://www.nyc-arecs.org) - running JNOS system since 1998 starting on DOS and now Linux - NY State 44Net/ AMPR.org coordinator - IT field since 1989 (databases, networking, help desk, web hosting) - ran for Congress as a write-in twice ( http://www.HargroveForCongress.us) - Secretary of the Staten Island Libertarian Party -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 147.360/107.2 PL ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM http://www.nyc-arecs.org NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32 "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus "Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying (The work praises the man.) "No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: